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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Gradine" data-source="post: 9772903" data-attributes="member: 57112">This is the point that always gets lost in THAC0 arguments. They often come down to trying to measure just how difficult/easy or complex it was to actually deal with in play, which is a deeply subjective sliding scale that people are, very understandably, not going to agree on. It's not even a worthwhile argument to have, honestly.But there are things which we can say are objectively true, or are at least closer to an objective truth than not. For instance, I grew up with 2e, played it for years, spent many years consulting the THAC0 tables, etc. So when I say that I say that the weapon type modifiers for armor in the item descriptions in the Baldur's Gate games constantly confused me, for instance, it is not a function of the difficulty or complexity of the system, but because of how unintuitive it was.Whether you found THAC0 and descending ACs easy or difficult, complex or easily solvable, is a matter of personal experience, skill, knowledge, etc. You can argue that it wasn't that complicated. But you cannot argue that it was intuitive.</blockquote>