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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Sacrosanct" data-source="post: 8165131" data-attributes="member: 15700">I thinks these things are definitely part of it.  With 4e, I think it's amplified a bit because it was the most recent edition replaced. But yeah, tribalism of fanbases is a big part.  I mean, 4e is a legitimate edition of D&D as much as every other edition.  It was an officially published edition by the owners of the D&D IP.  So objectively, that's true.  But as you say, tribalism comes in and people get a bit crazy about it.  It's the difference between "4e doesn't feel like the D&D game I like and know" and "4e isn't a real D&D game."  The former is OK, the latter is not.  And also like you say Campell, online we seem to feel like we have to have entrenched positions on things.  Weird. The point I was trying to make earlier was not to rehash edition wars, but to point out how 4e isn't the only picked on edition, as every edition has has people make negative comments about it, both legit criticism, as well as unhelpful hyperbolic attacks.  And that criticism doesn't not automatically mean edition warring or you're a hater.  And comments like "the hate for 4e is real" are just as unhelpful as "4e isn't real D&D" because the criticism leveled at 4e is the same in tone as every other edition has had.  Every edition has haters.  There's nothing special about 4e in that regard other than it being the most recently replaced.  When there is another edition, it will move down the chain just like 3e is now, and there will probably be fans of 5e that feel like any criticism is "the hate for 5e is real".I lived through the changes of each edition, and when 2e came out, the same vitriol was made*.  Same with 3e (at that time, in 2000, I just ignored 3e discussion as well as 4e discussion in 2008 because neither edition appealed to me and I didn't see the value in being in discussions for something I didn't like, but I imagine the same thing happened to 3e fans when 4e came out).* the same type of person (in some cases literally the same person) who has said 4e is just an MMO are the ones who said 2e ruined the game by being too PC by getting rid of half orcs, assassins, and renaming demons and devils (and isn't real old school D&D <img class="smilie smilie--emoji" alt="🤦‍♂️" src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f926-2642.png" title="Man facepalming    :man_facepalming:" data-shortname=":man_facepalming:" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" />).  It just is what it is and it's better to just ignore that stuff.</blockquote>

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