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Message: <blockquote data-quote="fumetti" data-source="post: 5425342" data-attributes="member: 6667461">You can choose to be offended if it makes you happy.  I'm talking about the focus of the product, not what *you* are doing in your game.The empirical evidence (particularly when comparing 4E with early editions, esp 1E/2E/BECM) is overwhelming.  When you read the books being made, 4E skips over non-combat events.  It would be ridiculous to claim that 4E treats out-of-combat the same as it treats in-combat.  If 1E had a ratio of 2-to-1 (in to out), then 4E has a ratio of 100-to-1, if not more than that.Show me the mechanics dealing with out-of-combat activity in 4E.  Then compare it to 1E/2E/BECM.  No comparison.WOTC has shifted almost entirely towards combat.  Simple fact.************************Comments <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/misc/postnotes_pos.gif" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " data-size="" style="" /> giant.robot:   fumetti needs to realize an in-game encounter and the Encounters program are indeed different thingsNot for what I'm talking about.  The Encounters program is clearly a "pick-up" combat session and almost nothing more.The rules written in the 4E rule books are equally focused on combat, combat, combat.  There is a smidge of rules for non-combat (skills), but not much.    Look at the structure of spells.  They're devoid of real time -- everything measured in-combat and by the encounter.  The non-combat spells were shifted to rituals (good idea) but then dropped from the update Essentials books (only a mention of their existence).I haven't read all the 4E published adventures, but the ones I have just go from one combat encounter to another.  They read very differently from 1E/2E/BECM published adventures which focused far more on the non-combat events.The 4E books and Encounters program are basically made the same.  If DMs are roleplaying the inbetween story, they are doing it without any mechanical structure within the 4E system.  Far different from earlier editions.</blockquote>

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