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<blockquote data-quote="delericho" data-source="post: 5627340" data-attributes="member: 22424"><p>The thing is that D&D editions tend to dramatically change the rules, and D&D supplements tend to be very rules-heavy. I can use my Vampire 2nd Ed books with Vampire: Revised (or even the New World of Darkness) with no difficulty, but I can't meaningfully use "Martial Power" with 3.5e.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Actually, this is no longer necessarily true. Many groups have stopped buying the books in favour of the DDI. For many others, the DDI is so useful that they have become dependent on it. When 5e hits, WotC <em>may well</em> remove 4e from the DDI.</p><p></p><p>(If 5e is radically different from 4e, they'll need almost all-new tools; it makes no sense to also spend money to support the 4e stuff when they really want people to stop using it, and switch. If 5e is <em>not</em> radically different, it is still likely they'll want to use the new edition to clean out the option bloat of 4e, which <em>still</em> means they'll probably want to remove the 4e support.)</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>See, this is the crux of it for me. In my opinion, 4e made some very serious missteps, some of which <em>cannot</em> be fixed without a new edition (how can you get rid of the option bloat without one? <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> ). But, since then I've seen little sign of a change of direction from the team at WotC, and indeed some further moves that worry me (Fortune Cards being the worst).</p><p></p><p>That being the case, I really don't have any confidence that any 5e wouldn't be essentially more of the same. And there's no sense in my supporting a new edition that is a further step in what I consider to be the wrong direction.</p><p></p><p>Now, I <em>would</em> support a 5e that returns to the drawing board, takes the game apart <em>again</em> and rebuilds it in a new form, especially if that form were more to my liking. I believe that is a necessary (but not, by itself, sufficient) step for my buying into 5e. I'm just not at all sure I can see that happening, and nor am I sure the 4e fans would likewise support such a move.</p><p></p><p>So, yeah, I'm very much in a "wait and see" mode. There is more chance of my embracing 5e than of returning to 4e (since one of these is zero), but at the same time, I'm not going to blindly support change - it will depend crucially on the nature of that change.</p><p></p><p>But one more thing: If and when 5e comes out, I will check it out. This is the first edition of D&D since I started gaming that I won't buy sight-unseen, and it may well be the first edition since then that I just don't buy at all. Furthermore, if 5e <em>doesn't</em> win me back, then I won't even look at 6e. This is a make-or-break edition for me. (Oh, and finally - I'm currently working on a homebrew D&D-replacement. If I get that done before 5e hits, I'm not interested.)</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="delericho, post: 5627340, member: 22424"] The thing is that D&D editions tend to dramatically change the rules, and D&D supplements tend to be very rules-heavy. I can use my Vampire 2nd Ed books with Vampire: Revised (or even the New World of Darkness) with no difficulty, but I can't meaningfully use "Martial Power" with 3.5e. Actually, this is no longer necessarily true. Many groups have stopped buying the books in favour of the DDI. For many others, the DDI is so useful that they have become dependent on it. When 5e hits, WotC [i]may well[/i] remove 4e from the DDI. (If 5e is radically different from 4e, they'll need almost all-new tools; it makes no sense to also spend money to support the 4e stuff when they really want people to stop using it, and switch. If 5e is [i]not[/i] radically different, it is still likely they'll want to use the new edition to clean out the option bloat of 4e, which [i]still[/i] means they'll probably want to remove the 4e support.) See, this is the crux of it for me. In my opinion, 4e made some very serious missteps, some of which [i]cannot[/i] be fixed without a new edition (how can you get rid of the option bloat without one? :) ). But, since then I've seen little sign of a change of direction from the team at WotC, and indeed some further moves that worry me (Fortune Cards being the worst). That being the case, I really don't have any confidence that any 5e wouldn't be essentially more of the same. And there's no sense in my supporting a new edition that is a further step in what I consider to be the wrong direction. Now, I [i]would[/i] support a 5e that returns to the drawing board, takes the game apart [i]again[/i] and rebuilds it in a new form, especially if that form were more to my liking. I believe that is a necessary (but not, by itself, sufficient) step for my buying into 5e. I'm just not at all sure I can see that happening, and nor am I sure the 4e fans would likewise support such a move. So, yeah, I'm very much in a "wait and see" mode. There is more chance of my embracing 5e than of returning to 4e (since one of these is zero), but at the same time, I'm not going to blindly support change - it will depend crucially on the nature of that change. But one more thing: If and when 5e comes out, I will check it out. This is the first edition of D&D since I started gaming that I won't buy sight-unseen, and it may well be the first edition since then that I just don't buy at all. Furthermore, if 5e [i]doesn't[/i] win me back, then I won't even look at 6e. This is a make-or-break edition for me. (Oh, and finally - I'm currently working on a homebrew D&D-replacement. If I get that done before 5e hits, I'm not interested.) [/QUOTE]
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