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<blockquote data-quote="iwatt" data-source="post: 2054580" data-attributes="member: 11085"><p>I'm shifting summoning to a ritual that needs to be researched. It'll be skill-based instead of spell-level based. AThe point is to ermove instant summoning from the game (it's a flavor thing)</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I'm starting to see this as well, but I'm not ready to quit yet... <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin :D" data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /></p><p></p><p>So the schools of magic, and their subschools are:</p><p></p><p><strong>Abjuration (No subschool)</strong> keep all of it.</p><p></p><p><strong>Conjuration (Summoning, Calling, Creation, Healing, Summoning, Teleportation)</strong> ban summoning, calling, teleportation. I like your idea of lengthening the casting times of the spells though. Alos, I might ban the damage dealing conjurations</p><p></p><p><strong>Divination</strong> keep all of it.</p><p></p><p><strong>Enchantment (Compulsion, Charm)</strong> all of it.</p><p></p><p><strong>Evocation</strong> Remove all dierct damage spells. shift utility to Universal.</p><p></p><p><strong> Illusion (Glamer, Figment, Pattern, Phantasm, Shadow</strong> ban shadow. Some people say that these spells are "flashy", but aren't about direct damage dealing, so tehy're OK in my book.</p><p></p><p><strong> Necromancy </strong> keep it as is. In my homebrew, Necro is EEEvil....</p><p></p><p><strong> Transmutation </strong> This is the hardest for me to judge. As many have mentioned, many of the spells are "flashy" as well. I'll mark in bold face those spells I consider too flashy.</p><p></p><p>The Core transmutation spells are:</p><p></p><p> Mage Hand: 5-pound telekinesis. </p><p></p><p> Mending: Makes minor repairs on an object. </p><p></p><p> Message: Whispered conversation at distance. </p><p></p><p> Open/Close: Opens or closes small or light things. </p><p> </p><p> Animate Rope: Makes a rope move at your command. </p><p></p><p> <strong>Enlarge Person: Humanoid creature doubles in size.</strong> </p><p></p><p> Erase: Mundane or magical writing vanishes. </p><p></p><p> Expeditious Retreat: Your speed increases by 30 ft. </p><p></p><p> Feather Fall: Objects or creatures fall slowly. </p><p></p><p> Jump: Subject gets bonus on Jump checks. </p><p></p><p> Magic Weapon: Weapon gains +1 bonus. </p><p></p><p> <strong>Reduce Person: Humanoid creature halves in size.</strong> </p><p></p><p> <strong>Alter Self: Assume form of a similar creature.</strong> </p><p></p><p> Bear’s Endurance: Subject gains +4 to Con for 1 min./level. </p><p></p><p> Bull’s Strength: Subject gains +4 to Str for 1 min./level. </p><p></p><p> Cat’s Grace: Subject gains +4 to Dex for 1 min./level. </p><p></p><p> Darkvision: See 60 ft. in total darkness. </p><p></p><p> Eagle’s Splendor: Subject gains +4 to Cha for 1 min./level. </p><p></p><p> Fox’s Cunning: Subject gains +4 Int for 1 min./level. </p><p></p><p> Knock: Opens locked or magically sealed door. </p><p></p><p> <strong>Levitate: Subject moves up and down at your direction.</strong> </p><p></p><p> Owl’s Wisdom: Subject gains +4 to Wis for 1 min./level. </p><p></p><p> Pyrotechnics: Turns fire into blinding light or choking smoke. </p><p></p><p> <strong>Rope Trick: As many as eight creatures hide in extradimensional space.</strong> </p><p></p><p> Spider Climb: Grants ability to walk on walls and ceilings. </p><p> </p><p> Whispering Wind: Sends a short message 1 mile/level. </p><p></p><p> <strong>Blink: You randomly vanish and reappear for 1 round/level. </strong> </p><p></p><p> <strong>Flame Arrow: Arrows deal +1d6 fire damage.</strong> </p><p></p><p> <strong>Fly: Subject flies at speed of 60 ft.</strong> </p><p></p><p> <strong>Gaseous Form: Subject becomes insubstantial and can fly slowly. </strong> </p><p></p><p> Haste: One creature/level moves faster, +1 on attack rolls, AC, and Reflex saves. </p><p></p><p> Keen Edge: Doubles normal weapon’s threat range. </p><p></p><p> Magic Weapon, Greater: +1/four levels (max +5). </p><p></p><p> Secret Page: Changes one page to hide its real content. </p><p></p><p> <strong>Shrink Item: Object shrinks to one-sixteenth size.</strong> </p><p></p><p> Slow: One subject/level takes only one action/round, –2 to AC, –2 on attack rolls. </p><p></p><p> <strong>Water Breathing: Subjects can breathe underwater.</strong> </p><p></p><p> <strong>Enlarge Person, Mass: Enlarges several creatures.</strong> </p><p></p><p> Mnemonic Enhancer F: Wizard only. Prepares extra spells or retains one just cast. </p><p></p><p> <strong>Polymorph: Gives one willing subject a new form. </strong> </p><p></p><p> <strong>Reduce Person, Mass: Reduces several creatures. </strong> </p><p></p><p> <strong>Stone Shape: Sculpts stone into any shape.</strong> </p><p></p><p> <strong>Animal Growth: One animal/two levels doubles in size. </strong> </p><p></p><p> <strong>Baleful Polymorph: Transforms subject into harmless animal.</strong> </p><p></p><p> <strong>Fabricate: Transforms raw materials into finished items.</strong> </p><p></p><p> <strong>Overland Flight: You fly at a speed of 40 ft. and can hustle over long distances.</strong> </p><p></p><p> <strong>Passwall: Creates passage through wood or stone wall.</strong> </p><p></p><p> Telekinesis: Moves object, attacks creature, or hurls object or creature. </p><p></p><p> <strong>Transmute Mud to Rock: Transforms two 10-ft. cubes per level. </strong> </p><p></p><p> <strong>Transmute Rock to Mud: Transforms two 10-ft. cubes per level.</strong> </p><p></p><p> Bear’s Endurance, Mass: As bear’s endurance, affects one subject/level. </p><p></p><p> Bull’s Strength, Mass: As bull’s strength, affects one subject/ level. </p><p></p><p> Cat’s Grace, Mass: As cat’s grace, affects one subject/level. </p><p></p><p> <strong>Control Water: Raises or lowers bodies of water. </strong> </p><p></p><p> <strong>Disintegrate: Makes one creature or object vanish.</strong> </p><p></p><p> Eagle’s Splendor, Mass: As eagle’s splendor, affects one subject/level. </p><p></p><p> <strong>Flesh to Stone: Turns subject creature into statue. </strong> </p><p></p><p> Fox’s Cunning, Mass: As fox’s cunning, affects one subject/ level. </p><p></p><p> Mage’s Lucubration: Wizard only. Recalls spell of 5th level or lower. </p><p></p><p> <strong>Move Earth: Digs trenches and build hills.</strong> </p><p></p><p> Owl’s Wisdom, Mass: As owl’s wisdom, affects one subject/ level. </p><p></p><p> <strong>Stone to Flesh: Restores petrified creature. </strong> </p><p></p><p> Transformation M: You gain combat bonuses. </p><p></p><p> Control Weather: Changes weather in local area. </p><p></p><p> <strong>Ethereal Jaunt: You become ethereal for 1 round/level.</strong> </p><p></p><p> <strong>Reverse Gravity: Objects and creatures fall upward.</strong> </p><p></p><p> <strong>Statue: Subject can become a statue at will. </strong> </p><p></p><p> <strong> Iron Body: Your body becomes living iron. </strong> </p><p></p><p> <strong>Polymorph Any Object: Changes any subject into anything else.</strong> </p><p></p><p> Temporal Stasis M: Puts subject into suspended animation. </p><p></p><p> <strong>Etherealness: Travel to Ethereal Plane with companions.</strong> </p><p></p><p> <strong>Shapechange F: Transforms you into any creature, and change forms once per round.</strong> </p><p></p><p><strong> Time Stop: You act freely for 1d4+1 rounds.</strong> </p><p></p><p> which has me banning 34/73 transmutation spells. Might add or remove some though, so any input is welcome.</p><p></p><p>By the way, just to make my self clear. I wanto radically shift the enphasis my group has lately had of going blaster and doing the SCry-Buff-Teleport. And I want a place were magic is misterious, and advanced alchemy is almost as powerful as the low level wizards. </p><p></p><p>Some people believe that I've nerfed the wizard too much. But I am removing the other blaster class (the druid) and will nerf the cleric to bring it into the same tone of the wizard. It's msotly a flavor thing though. Also, monsters that can only be defeated through magical blasting shall not be in play.</p><p></p><p>Still, the whole banning of almost half the Transmutation school scares me a bit. So what do I give the wizard? </p><p></p><p>1) An extra spell per level above and beyond the one they gain from specializing?</p><p></p><p>2) More skill points? better skill list as well (adding social skills)?</p><p></p><p>3)something else?</p><p></p><p>Thanx for all your help, but please continue with the feedback.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="iwatt, post: 2054580, member: 11085"] I'm shifting summoning to a ritual that needs to be researched. It'll be skill-based instead of spell-level based. AThe point is to ermove instant summoning from the game (it's a flavor thing) I'm starting to see this as well, but I'm not ready to quit yet... :D So the schools of magic, and their subschools are: [B]Abjuration (No subschool)[/B] keep all of it. [B]Conjuration (Summoning, Calling, Creation, Healing, Summoning, Teleportation)[/B] ban summoning, calling, teleportation. I like your idea of lengthening the casting times of the spells though. Alos, I might ban the damage dealing conjurations [B]Divination[/B] keep all of it. [B]Enchantment (Compulsion, Charm)[/B] all of it. [B]Evocation[/B] Remove all dierct damage spells. shift utility to Universal. [B] Illusion (Glamer, Figment, Pattern, Phantasm, Shadow[/B] ban shadow. Some people say that these spells are "flashy", but aren't about direct damage dealing, so tehy're OK in my book. [B] Necromancy [/B] keep it as is. In my homebrew, Necro is EEEvil.... [B] Transmutation [/B] This is the hardest for me to judge. As many have mentioned, many of the spells are "flashy" as well. I'll mark in bold face those spells I consider too flashy. The Core transmutation spells are: Mage Hand: 5-pound telekinesis. Mending: Makes minor repairs on an object. Message: Whispered conversation at distance. Open/Close: Opens or closes small or light things. Animate Rope: Makes a rope move at your command. [B]Enlarge Person: Humanoid creature doubles in size.[/B] Erase: Mundane or magical writing vanishes. Expeditious Retreat: Your speed increases by 30 ft. Feather Fall: Objects or creatures fall slowly. Jump: Subject gets bonus on Jump checks. Magic Weapon: Weapon gains +1 bonus. [B]Reduce Person: Humanoid creature halves in size.[/B] [B]Alter Self: Assume form of a similar creature.[/B] Bear’s Endurance: Subject gains +4 to Con for 1 min./level. Bull’s Strength: Subject gains +4 to Str for 1 min./level. Cat’s Grace: Subject gains +4 to Dex for 1 min./level. Darkvision: See 60 ft. in total darkness. Eagle’s Splendor: Subject gains +4 to Cha for 1 min./level. Fox’s Cunning: Subject gains +4 Int for 1 min./level. Knock: Opens locked or magically sealed door. [B]Levitate: Subject moves up and down at your direction.[/B] Owl’s Wisdom: Subject gains +4 to Wis for 1 min./level. Pyrotechnics: Turns fire into blinding light or choking smoke. [B]Rope Trick: As many as eight creatures hide in extradimensional space.[/B] Spider Climb: Grants ability to walk on walls and ceilings. Whispering Wind: Sends a short message 1 mile/level. [B]Blink: You randomly vanish and reappear for 1 round/level. [/B] [B]Flame Arrow: Arrows deal +1d6 fire damage.[/B] [B]Fly: Subject flies at speed of 60 ft.[/B] [B]Gaseous Form: Subject becomes insubstantial and can fly slowly. [/B] Haste: One creature/level moves faster, +1 on attack rolls, AC, and Reflex saves. Keen Edge: Doubles normal weapon’s threat range. Magic Weapon, Greater: +1/four levels (max +5). Secret Page: Changes one page to hide its real content. [B]Shrink Item: Object shrinks to one-sixteenth size.[/B] Slow: One subject/level takes only one action/round, –2 to AC, –2 on attack rolls. [B]Water Breathing: Subjects can breathe underwater.[/B] [B]Enlarge Person, Mass: Enlarges several creatures.[/B] Mnemonic Enhancer F: Wizard only. Prepares extra spells or retains one just cast. [B]Polymorph: Gives one willing subject a new form. [/B] [B]Reduce Person, Mass: Reduces several creatures. [/B] [B]Stone Shape: Sculpts stone into any shape.[/B] [B]Animal Growth: One animal/two levels doubles in size. [/B] [B]Baleful Polymorph: Transforms subject into harmless animal.[/B] [B]Fabricate: Transforms raw materials into finished items.[/B] [B]Overland Flight: You fly at a speed of 40 ft. and can hustle over long distances.[/B] [B]Passwall: Creates passage through wood or stone wall.[/B] Telekinesis: Moves object, attacks creature, or hurls object or creature. [B]Transmute Mud to Rock: Transforms two 10-ft. cubes per level. [/B] [B]Transmute Rock to Mud: Transforms two 10-ft. cubes per level.[/B] Bear’s Endurance, Mass: As bear’s endurance, affects one subject/level. Bull’s Strength, Mass: As bull’s strength, affects one subject/ level. Cat’s Grace, Mass: As cat’s grace, affects one subject/level. [B]Control Water: Raises or lowers bodies of water. [/B] [B]Disintegrate: Makes one creature or object vanish.[/B] Eagle’s Splendor, Mass: As eagle’s splendor, affects one subject/level. [B]Flesh to Stone: Turns subject creature into statue. [/B] Fox’s Cunning, Mass: As fox’s cunning, affects one subject/ level. Mage’s Lucubration: Wizard only. Recalls spell of 5th level or lower. [B]Move Earth: Digs trenches and build hills.[/B] Owl’s Wisdom, Mass: As owl’s wisdom, affects one subject/ level. [B]Stone to Flesh: Restores petrified creature. [/B] Transformation M: You gain combat bonuses. Control Weather: Changes weather in local area. [B]Ethereal Jaunt: You become ethereal for 1 round/level.[/B] [B]Reverse Gravity: Objects and creatures fall upward.[/B] [B]Statue: Subject can become a statue at will. [/B] [B] Iron Body: Your body becomes living iron. [/B] [B]Polymorph Any Object: Changes any subject into anything else.[/B] Temporal Stasis M: Puts subject into suspended animation. [B]Etherealness: Travel to Ethereal Plane with companions.[/B] [B]Shapechange F: Transforms you into any creature, and change forms once per round.[/B] [B] Time Stop: You act freely for 1d4+1 rounds.[/B] which has me banning 34/73 transmutation spells. Might add or remove some though, so any input is welcome. By the way, just to make my self clear. I wanto radically shift the enphasis my group has lately had of going blaster and doing the SCry-Buff-Teleport. And I want a place were magic is misterious, and advanced alchemy is almost as powerful as the low level wizards. Some people believe that I've nerfed the wizard too much. But I am removing the other blaster class (the druid) and will nerf the cleric to bring it into the same tone of the wizard. It's msotly a flavor thing though. Also, monsters that can only be defeated through magical blasting shall not be in play. Still, the whole banning of almost half the Transmutation school scares me a bit. So what do I give the wizard? 1) An extra spell per level above and beyond the one they gain from specializing? 2) More skill points? better skill list as well (adding social skills)? 3)something else? Thanx for all your help, but please continue with the feedback. [/QUOTE]
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