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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Retros_x" data-source="post: 9708883" data-attributes="member: 7033171">I don't like them in 5e because yes its shocking, as it always will if common rules suddenly don't apply anymore. And I think that is the part that icks me a bit. I have no problems with more deadlier games, but if players don't know that such abilities exist, they are making uninformed choices when fighting against a monster that has such an ability. They make tactical choices under the assumption of death rules they think they can rely on. For abilities with a lesser effect this might make a cool surprise moment, but I think as a player I would be pissed if I decide to tank the guy, because my cleric will heal me, but than my char suddenly dies in an instant.I think you either need to inform players before that such monsters exist or you need to demonstrate this ability on an NPC - which is weird again, because normally NPCs die immediately anyway. So you kinda have to implement death saving throws for NPCs to make the demonstration valuable.It doesn't fit 5e vibe over all. If you want instant death be a part of your game, you are better off with an OSR game or other games that have stricter death rules than 5e.edit: I just remembered that AFAIK most monsters in 5e with such abilities are higher CR and the party often has reviving capabilities. This weakens my point to a degree. So maybe don't use such monsters/spells in Tier 1, but in higher Tiers its less problematic IMO.</blockquote>

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