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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Lokar" data-source="post: 2908355" data-attributes="member: 40850">I like the idea of  a fatigue system based on the ammount of effort actions take. However through reading this thread I'm not sure I can see the direction you're trying to go with it.As for the exausting rage ability. I have to say it looks a pretty  powerful for a general  feat with no prereqs. With one feat you gain an additional 3 hp per level (granted for a limited duration, but hardly the point) At first level you would be gaining a +10 str +10 con bonus, thus a +5 to hit/dam and +5 hp, far to over powering without restrictions.  At higher level (lets say 20th for arguments sake)  you have greater rage, with this stacked on top of it you get a huge +12 str +12 con bonus, that's  120 hp +6 hit/dam, now here the additional hit/dam may not seem like a big deal, but the hp is absolutly insane. It would probably be better like this.Exausting Rage (General)Prereq:Greater Rage class ability, Tireless Rage class abilityWhen you fly into a rage youmay choose to enter an exausting rage. if you do you  gain an additional +2  to your strength and constitution (totaling +8) In addition your rage lasts an additional  1 round per your newly modified constitution bonus.When your rage ends you are fatigued as per the normal rage rules prior to gaining Tireless Rage.Normal: When you enter a  greater rage you gain a +6 bonus to both strength and constitution .  You may normaly only rage for a number of rounds equal to 3 plus your newly modified constitution bonus. With tireless Rage you are no longer fatigued at the end of your rage.This feat only grants you an additional +1 to hit and damage and an additional 1 hp per level for the duration, it also almost doubles the duration of your rage. I think it's much more reasonable then giving a +3 to hit and dam and +3hp. You could then follow it up with something like yours above.Greater Exausting Rage(epic)Prereq:Exausting RageWhenever you rage you gain an additional +6 to Str, and Con, but at the end of the rage you become exhausted.Normal:When you enter a  greater rage you gain a +6 bonus to both strength and constitution .  You may normaly only rage for a number of rounds equal to 3 plus your newly modified constitution bonus. With tireless Rage you are no longer fatigued at the end of your rage.This would net you a total bonus of +14 to your strength and constitution bonus, a +7 bonus to hit and damage (again not a big deal at this level) and at the very least  140 hp (level 21) whish Is certainly a note worthy bonus.</blockquote>

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