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Message: <blockquote data-quote="bret" data-source="post: 891503" data-attributes="member: 713">What I find interesting is how no one is comparing rogues to 1st or 2nd edition.First edition rogues had the equivilent of 9 skills: Pick Pockets, Find/Remove Traps (now Seach and Disable Device), Move Silently, Hide in Shadows (now just Hide), Hear Noise (now Listen), Climb Walls (now just Climb) and Read Languages (now Decipher Script). You could argue they also had Alertness Feat or spot skill as represented by their reduced chance of being surprised.Second edition allowed you to adjust the percentages of these abilities, rather than having fixed percentages based on level. A gain in flexibility, but you couldn't get as good as the older generalist was.Third edition split traps into two different skills, added a bunch more skills that would make a lot of sense for a rogue (forgery, gather info, spot, etc), allows flexibility in choice, but doesn't allow you to be as good a generalist as the old edition.It is looking like in 3.5, many of the rogues should switch to Ranger or Bard.</blockquote>