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<blockquote data-quote="N'raac" data-source="post: 6567097" data-attributes="member: 6681948">It took about half an hour, however only after [spoiler]I intuited &quot;The wizard with the green cloak is on the left of the wizard with the white cloak.&quot; means that the Wizard with the green cloak is to the immediate left of the wizard with the green cloak.&nbsp; Otherwise, the Elf could be wearing the green cloak, as he is to the left of all other wizards.&nbsp; Similarly, one must intuit that &quot;first seat&quot; is &quot;leftmost seat&quot;, not &quot;rightmost seat&quot;[/spoiler]Often, the issue with puzzles is phrasing - if the puzzle phrasing is not sufficiently precise that the players cannot interpret them differently from the GM, the puzzle becomes unfair.Of course, the other issue with in-game puzzles is that the 24 INT wizard should be pretty god at logic puzzles, even if his player is not, so we get into the question of whether we are playing our characters, or breaking the fourth wall.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="N'raac, post: 6567097, member: 6681948"] It took about half an hour, however only after [spoiler]I intuited "The wizard with the green cloak is on the left of the wizard with the white cloak." means that the Wizard with the green cloak is to the [B]immediate[/B] left of the wizard with the green cloak. Otherwise, the Elf could be wearing the green cloak, as he is to the left of all other wizards. Similarly, one must intuit that "first seat" is "leftmost seat", not "rightmost seat"[/spoiler] Often, the issue with puzzles is phrasing - if the puzzle phrasing is not sufficiently precise that the players cannot interpret them differently from the GM, the puzzle becomes unfair. Of course, the other issue with in-game puzzles is that the 24 INT wizard should be pretty god at logic puzzles, even if his player is not, so we get into the question of whether we are playing our characters, or breaking the fourth wall. [/QUOTE]

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