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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Kithas" data-source="post: 6750753" data-attributes="member: 97587">Personally for gishes my choice is sorc/paladin or ranger(quicken is just too good). But if your question is wizard vs ek. Largely the question is what do you want? Ek will give you more base health but abj wiz will give you plenty of temp hp which is better. Ek gives you better martial abilities, more attacks, war magic more asi's etc. But honestly you don't get a ton of benefit after level 5 in that department, 11 gets you a third attack but thats only 1.5x your current, not 2x like 5 is. Also having a good Con score/good race/feats is so much more a part of having "good" hp than your class. You can get 160(100 from con, 40 from tough, 20 from dwarf)hp from con score race and feats alone. The difference between a 20 fighter and a 20 wiz is 44hp all else equal. That's not much.Take a look at a 5 fighter 15 wizard, you still get 2 attacks and a fighting style, plus some good manuevers(get the feat too and youll have as much as a 10th level bm). But you also get to chuck 8th level spells, sometimes 2 in one turn(action surge). If you prioritize a good con score and some good armor/tough feat, you will be incredibly hard to drop too. But here's the main difference; if they ignore you and go for the more 'squishy' targets, you just blast the hell out of them with magic. So basically they engage you or you roast them.P.s. the Blur spell is stupid good for defense and shouldn't be left out <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":P" title="Stick out tongue    :P"  data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":P" /></blockquote>

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