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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Banshee16" data-source="post: 3768294" data-attributes="member: 7883">They haven't said anything about that yet.  All they've done is give us hints.  We know that they've given a description of what the 4E elves might be like....ruled by instinct, living in the wild, etc. etc.  And they specifically mention that they're also known as wood elves.That same article mentions their cousins the Eladrin, being more ruled by thought etc.Someone on the boards, weeks ago, posted the image of the Eladrin wizard, leading to talk about whether they would be a PC race.This discussion makes a connection between the disparate statements, to ask whether we're on the right track of understanding what they're planning to do.....and express some disapproval (in my opinion) of that planned direction *if* the underlying guess is correct......while we still don't know if it is.You could be very right....maybe FR will just apply minor cosmetic changes to one or the other race, to make them fit their historical roles/culture.  We don't really know enough to say for sure.But if the underlying assumption is correct (ie. that they're splitting elves into two races), I have to ask why that's better than having one race, with a few subraces with minor differences in ability scores.  The last time I checked, whether one's looking at Grey Elves, Wood Elves, High Elves, Moon Elves, Sun Elves, Qualinesti, Silvanesti, etc.......most of them have the same abilities....those of the core elf, with the only differences between them being differences in the ability score modifiers, and cosmetic differences (ie. colour of skin, hair, etc.).There are really only a few subraces of elves that I can remember in 3E which have actual, significant, differences in their abilities....ie. Drow, Avariel, and Sea Elves.  That's about all of them that I know.  Two of them are necessary.  For Avariels, they need to have wings, or the abillity to cast fly at will, or whatever, if you want a race of flying elves.  For Sea Elves, if you want a race that lives under the ocean, well, they need the ability to breath water.I think the argument against subraces is somewhat overdone.Banshee</blockquote>

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