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Message: <blockquote data-quote="theNater" data-source="post: 4246877" data-attributes="member: 62560">I've been beaten to the punch on eladrin making up a goodly number of the elves in Lord of the Rings and dragonborn showing up in Dragonlance.  The tieflings are a little rarer, and admittedly I can't come up with any characters that look the way tieflings do off the top of my head.  However, I would like to mention The Hero and the Crown, by Robin McKinley.  The heroine is endowed with certain supernatural powers due to being descended(several times removed) from the "demons from the north".  This is one book that I read some 10-15 years ago and was memorable enough that it came immediately to mind.  You may count it classic or not as you wish.In any case, I suspect that given a random sampling of fantasy stories, you would come up a pretty goodly number of part- or half-demon characters, and these are your tieflings.My experience with fantasy stories has usually been that when a character is half-monster, they usually go for something more monstrous than orcs for the monster part.  Has your experience been different?  If not, did you resent the inclusion of half-orcs in third edition?The only elements in most if not all fantasy stories are humans and magic(humans are in most stories of all kinds, and the presence of magic is what makes a story a fantasy story), both of which are included in the PHB.  Did you mean to say that the PHB should include only those core elements?  If so, can you please clarify how common a fantasy story element must be to be "standard"?  Should it be in 90% of fantasy stories?  50%?  25%?</blockquote>

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