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<blockquote data-quote="Aaron L" data-source="post: 4249563" data-attributes="member: 926"><p>Personally, I think that Teiflings are a lame race, I can't stand any sot of "dragonpeople," and I consider Eladrin to be elves and the PHB "elves" to be some sort of generic fantasy "forest dweller." None of them will see the light of day in any game that I run.</p><p></p><p>I really <em>despise</em> the "20,000 varieties of sapient humanoid species with every member as an overblown stereotype of a certain aspect of human nature or historical human culture," which has become the norm in fantasy, and unfortunately especially in D&D. I find it especially stupid that, in the really poorly written tripe that passes for fantasy nowadays (and especially D&D based stories) only the human race has more than one culture or language, every member of a non-human race speaks the same language, and every different culture requires a specialized variety of the race (snow dwarves, desert gnomes, jungle halflings, Japanese katana elves, ad nauseam.) I think it's very cheesy and really drags the entire genre down.</p><p></p><p></p><p>3E got really bad about it with all the splatbooks with a new type of elf, dwarf, and lizardperson in it, and it got to the point of emulating poor anime (and I like anime, so this isn't a knee-jerk "D&D sucks because it's emulating anime" argument) or children's books more than any fantasy I've ever read... but I was able to ignore a good deal of it because it was relegated to splatbooks and supplements. However, 4E is making it impossible to ignore by making it a central element of the default setting and including dragonpeople and whatever-the-Hell Teiflings are supposed to represent in the main PHB, and I also find it fairly distasteful. It really makes me throw-up a little bit in my mouth. </p><p></p><p></p><p>However, I realize that I am free to ignore it, and if other people enjoy it, well, more power too them. Unfortunately, the big problem for me is that my DM is a really tight "whatever's in the PHB is written by God and altering it is blasphemy" type, and now, since it's in the PHB, it is now Gospel, and I have to like it or lump it. And I suspect that a lot of other people have this same problem, where it has to be accepted as default because it's in the PHB and their DMs aren't imaginative enough to create a setting for themselves.</p><p></p><p>I <em>really</em> wish things like dragonpeople and demonpeople would have been relegated to a specific setting. This is purely personal taste, I realize. But now, since they have been included in the PHB, I will be forced to gag myself from commenting on how stupid I think they are every time I play D&D, and for my first 4E game I will be the sole human in a party full of dragonpeople and demonpeople. Unfortunately, I have to either accept this or not be able to play at all. (Much as with a lot of 4E, because it's become near blasphemy to say that one prefers the way things were done in 3E nowadays.) </p><p></p><p>I really miss the days when elves were exotic.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Aaron L, post: 4249563, member: 926"] Personally, I think that Teiflings are a lame race, I can't stand any sot of "dragonpeople," and I consider Eladrin to be elves and the PHB "elves" to be some sort of generic fantasy "forest dweller." None of them will see the light of day in any game that I run. I really [i]despise[/i] the "20,000 varieties of sapient humanoid species with every member as an overblown stereotype of a certain aspect of human nature or historical human culture," which has become the norm in fantasy, and unfortunately especially in D&D. I find it especially stupid that, in the really poorly written tripe that passes for fantasy nowadays (and especially D&D based stories) only the human race has more than one culture or language, every member of a non-human race speaks the same language, and every different culture requires a specialized variety of the race (snow dwarves, desert gnomes, jungle halflings, Japanese katana elves, ad nauseam.) I think it's very cheesy and really drags the entire genre down. 3E got really bad about it with all the splatbooks with a new type of elf, dwarf, and lizardperson in it, and it got to the point of emulating poor anime (and I like anime, so this isn't a knee-jerk "D&D sucks because it's emulating anime" argument) or children's books more than any fantasy I've ever read... but I was able to ignore a good deal of it because it was relegated to splatbooks and supplements. However, 4E is making it impossible to ignore by making it a central element of the default setting and including dragonpeople and whatever-the-Hell Teiflings are supposed to represent in the main PHB, and I also find it fairly distasteful. It really makes me throw-up a little bit in my mouth. However, I realize that I am free to ignore it, and if other people enjoy it, well, more power too them. Unfortunately, the big problem for me is that my DM is a really tight "whatever's in the PHB is written by God and altering it is blasphemy" type, and now, since it's in the PHB, it is now Gospel, and I have to like it or lump it. And I suspect that a lot of other people have this same problem, where it has to be accepted as default because it's in the PHB and their DMs aren't imaginative enough to create a setting for themselves. I [i]really[/i] wish things like dragonpeople and demonpeople would have been relegated to a specific setting. This is purely personal taste, I realize. But now, since they have been included in the PHB, I will be forced to gag myself from commenting on how stupid I think they are every time I play D&D, and for my first 4E game I will be the sole human in a party full of dragonpeople and demonpeople. Unfortunately, I have to either accept this or not be able to play at all. (Much as with a lot of 4E, because it's become near blasphemy to say that one prefers the way things were done in 3E nowadays.) I really miss the days when elves were exotic. [/QUOTE]
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