Menu
News
All News
Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
Pathfinder
Starfinder
Warhammer
2d20 System
Year Zero Engine
Industry News
Reviews
Dragon Reflections
White Dwarf Reflections
Columns
Weekly Digests
Weekly News Digest
Freebies, Sales & Bundles
RPG Print News
RPG Crowdfunding News
Game Content
ENterplanetary DimENsions
Mythological Figures
Opinion
Worlds of Design
Peregrine's Nest
RPG Evolution
Other Columns
From the Freelancing Frontline
Monster ENcyclopedia
WotC/TSR Alumni Look Back
4 Hours w/RSD (Ryan Dancey)
The Road to 3E (Jonathan Tweet)
Greenwood's Realms (Ed Greenwood)
Drawmij's TSR (Jim Ward)
Community
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions, OSR, & D&D Variants
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Resources
Wiki
Pages
Latest activity
Media
New media
New comments
Search media
Downloads
Latest reviews
Search resources
EN Publishing
Store
EN5ider
Adventures in ZEITGEIST
Awfully Cheerful Engine
What's OLD is NEW
Judge Dredd & The Worlds Of 2000AD
War of the Burning Sky
Level Up: Advanced 5E
Events & Releases
Upcoming Events
Private Events
Featured Events
Socials!
EN Publishing
Twitter
BlueSky
Facebook
Instagram
EN World
BlueSky
YouTube
Facebook
Twitter
Twitch
Podcast
Features
Million Dollar TTRPG Crowdfunders
Most Anticipated Tabletop RPGs Of The Year
Tabletop RPG Podcast Hall of Fame
Eric Noah's Unofficial D&D 3rd Edition News
Top 5 RPGs Compiled Charts 2004-Present
Adventure Game Industry Market Research Summary (RPGs) V1.0
Ryan Dancey: Acquiring TSR
Q&A With Gary Gygax
D&D Rules FAQs
TSR, WotC, & Paizo: A Comparative History
D&D Pronunciation Guide
D&D in the Mainstream
D&D & RPG History
About Morrus
Log in
Register
What's new
Search
Search
Search titles only
By:
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions, OSR, & D&D Variants
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Menu
Log in
Register
Install the app
Install
Upgrade your account to a Community Supporter account and remove most of the site ads.
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*TTRPGs General
Eldest Sons: The Essential Guide to Elves
JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an
alternative browser
.
Reply to thread
Message
<blockquote data-quote="Selvarin" data-source="post: 2013580" data-attributes="member: 6102"><p>That's a fair question. I'm probably being a stricter judge than I normally am, in the sense that a 3 to me = the product does what it's supposed to (without making any unforgivable blunders or omissions, etc.). If there were some aspects of the work that I found sub-par or distracting, but it had some great parts worth salvaging (the 'diamonds in the rough', as it were), then it would rate a 2. If the work as a whole was uninspiring, sub-par, *and* unprofessional (constant, blatant errors), it would be a 1.</p><p></p><p>So, what would make a product a 4 or 5? Well, does the material grab me, and if so is it a little or a lot? Does it excite me, make me say to myself "I should've thought of that first!"...? Does it provide something that I have to have, or could I have waited? If I feel something's missing to make it a 4 or 5, what could it have been? </p><p></p><p>Reviews are, admittedly, an art and not a science. In some ways, ES is a '4' product, depending upon which parts you look at. personally, I think chapters 1 and 2 are the better portions of the book. The dreaded old cliches about elves that I'm used to seeing didn't quite rear their ugly heads. They were discussed, yes, but they weren't allowed to completely define the material. The archetypes, the roles of elves and the various classes, etc., were well-done. When it comes to chapters 3 and 4, a '3' rating would be overall because the mechanics of the various core classes, PrCs, and feats were technically sound but as a whole the material didn't grab me enough (barring the Warder and a few feats). The same could be said about the spells and magic items, although I'm more lenient in that area considering how much more has been done in that area previously (What's left that hasn't been made into a spell or magic item these days?). Chapter 6 dealt with monsters and templates, which was fine but I felt something was missing. Chapter 5 dealt with Fairvus, and Chapter 7 Entaris (and the Elorii city of Seremas). While portable into other campaigns, it's nontheless setting-specific. In one sense it's good from a business standpoint (i.e., promoting Arcanis in the process), but I can think of a few other things which could've been covered in that same space which might be of more interest to those in the mood for an all-around elf sourcebook.</p><p></p><p>As I've said, Eldest Sons is not a bad book. In fact, it does some things very well. In other areas it neither lagged behind nor stood at the head of the class.</p><p>I don't feel let down by my purchase, but I do feel something was missing and that certain areas could've been improved upon. It isn't so much about going from point A to point B but how you get there. Which roads the stagecoach takes you determines how fondly you recall the trip.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Selvarin, post: 2013580, member: 6102"] That's a fair question. I'm probably being a stricter judge than I normally am, in the sense that a 3 to me = the product does what it's supposed to (without making any unforgivable blunders or omissions, etc.). If there were some aspects of the work that I found sub-par or distracting, but it had some great parts worth salvaging (the 'diamonds in the rough', as it were), then it would rate a 2. If the work as a whole was uninspiring, sub-par, *and* unprofessional (constant, blatant errors), it would be a 1. So, what would make a product a 4 or 5? Well, does the material grab me, and if so is it a little or a lot? Does it excite me, make me say to myself "I should've thought of that first!"...? Does it provide something that I have to have, or could I have waited? If I feel something's missing to make it a 4 or 5, what could it have been? Reviews are, admittedly, an art and not a science. In some ways, ES is a '4' product, depending upon which parts you look at. personally, I think chapters 1 and 2 are the better portions of the book. The dreaded old cliches about elves that I'm used to seeing didn't quite rear their ugly heads. They were discussed, yes, but they weren't allowed to completely define the material. The archetypes, the roles of elves and the various classes, etc., were well-done. When it comes to chapters 3 and 4, a '3' rating would be overall because the mechanics of the various core classes, PrCs, and feats were technically sound but as a whole the material didn't grab me enough (barring the Warder and a few feats). The same could be said about the spells and magic items, although I'm more lenient in that area considering how much more has been done in that area previously (What's left that hasn't been made into a spell or magic item these days?). Chapter 6 dealt with monsters and templates, which was fine but I felt something was missing. Chapter 5 dealt with Fairvus, and Chapter 7 Entaris (and the Elorii city of Seremas). While portable into other campaigns, it's nontheless setting-specific. In one sense it's good from a business standpoint (i.e., promoting Arcanis in the process), but I can think of a few other things which could've been covered in that same space which might be of more interest to those in the mood for an all-around elf sourcebook. As I've said, Eldest Sons is not a bad book. In fact, it does some things very well. In other areas it neither lagged behind nor stood at the head of the class. I don't feel let down by my purchase, but I do feel something was missing and that certain areas could've been improved upon. It isn't so much about going from point A to point B but how you get there. Which roads the stagecoach takes you determines how fondly you recall the trip. [/QUOTE]
Insert quotes…
Verification
Post reply
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*TTRPGs General
Eldest Sons: The Essential Guide to Elves
Top