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Message: <blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 2778769" data-attributes="member: 2011">Only a Specialized Evocation 9th level Wizard with an Int of 20 or higher can have 3 5th level spells. Plus, your super Wizard took two damage boosting feats: Maximize and Empower.So, you are skewing this quite a bit.Most 9th level Wizards are not Evocation specialists, nor would they waste two feats on damage boosting that early. It only makes sense to take both of these when you can actually use both of them and the earliest for that is 12th level.So, what you typically have is a Wizard with a max of 2 Maximized Scorching Rays versus an EK with typically a max of 2 Empowered Scorching Rays (and this is even more possible since the extra spell there only requires an 18 Int instead of 20).Additionally, most Wizards would not stack their highest level spell with 2 or 3 same metamagic versions of the same spell. So, it tends to be (typically) maybe one Maximized Scorching Ray versus one Empowered Scorching Ray.6 points of damage more in a single round. Not that big of a difference. Not when you consider that the EK can go in and kick butt with melee combat when he runs out of spells. Most 9th level Wizards run out of spells fairly quick if they have 2 or more combats in a given day.A more reasonable comparison is that the 9th level Wizard has the same 4th level Empowered Scorching Ray spells plus 1 to 3 5th level spells plus another 4th level spell.Btw, nobody is arguing that the straight Wizard doesn't have more spell power. But, you are cavalierly dismissing the EK as non-viable and that is just inaccurate.</blockquote>

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