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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Fighter1" data-source="post: 2782223" data-attributes="member: 39381">1) Very true; but then again if one were to (not that I am going to or asking you to at all) if one were to figure out the frequency of your ability to due this vs. the frequency of a critical…I world bet WoTC did.2) And again – making my point – a huge chunk of this is coming from the Spell sword class; which ahs nothing to do with EK. Spellsword is a “Fighter with Arcane Abilities” not a balanced caster/fighter as the originator of this thread and many others here alluded to. You could do that with or without an EK – with EK have no relevance on it - or do it better as a war mage most likely.Ok right here ya got me – this is a big opinionated difference; I think monkey grip is insanely overpowered and do not allow it at all as a DM and would never take it myself as a PC (and would whine all day if a fellow PC was allowed to and did!). Thus, for this portion there is no resolution…you have it I would never have it – can’t compare our opinions on this one.And that my friend is another primary point – one does not always have the time to prep spells (except with the spellsword portion).  Most of the time your PC would have to cast for a few rounds to get it all ready while to combat ensued. Again the Spellsword…not the EK. The first part here is the benefit of the Spellsword not the EK; the later fits into my point about prep time.I see your point – however see this point as well – the party arcane caster who has a higher caster level (from not multiclassing) slams the bad guys with maximized 10d6 fireballs. Scorching rays, whatever then, I, the fighter, pop in and pop in three attacks at 11th level (something your mixes can’t do at 11th level due to lower BAB) and bury the guy(s).IMO I will take that fighter with the higher BAB, more HP’s and better relevant ability scores (since his do not need to be spread so thin due to multiclassing needs) and more attacks against your multiclassed guy any day of the week. Sure; you’ll get in the big whammy on me next round; but 4 rounds down the road I’ll be doing more damage than you and can keep going for the rest of the day while you can’t.One is not better than the other  - they both have their strengths and weaknesses. But quite simply, in the long haul; multiclass character’s are not better than the single class character’s of each relevant class.The mix and options chosen can maximize your benefits in a given situation but not all the time. A fighter can fight all the time; all day; your guy can’t keep up with that. However the fighter can’t cast anything; he can’t slam you with a fireball from 20 feet away or slap you upside the head with a scorching ray. Your PC can swing the sword once, hammer somebody, but can’t do it again for a bit (or needs to retreat to recast – or take a bazillion AoO’s). Is the fighter’s longevity on the battlefield better than the Spellswords short term damage dealing? That is an opinion open for debate and depends on the situation at hand. If your party lets your Spellsword move up, hit, pullback then sure he is better there; but can/does that happen all the time??? What about the damage in the rounds he is recasting vs. The rounds the fighter is hacking? (hey that rhymes!) Do they balance out?But to the thread; you have all valid points about a Spellsword – NOT an Eldritch Knight. The Eldritch Knight can benefit your Spellsword/Fighter with the BAB and caster Level increases; but in and of itself it serves no purpose. You would perhaps be better just getting more levels in Sorcerer or Spellsword. Sort or personal ain’t it?So your saying that these things can wax a fighter in a single round? Of course assuming that tactically everything is in the EK’s favor? I got a fighter with an 18 con, +25 to jump and a 24 Str – those things hurt for sure but let me clue ya; so does Heedless Charge combined with Leap Attack. And it hurts more when you have less than D10’s on EACH level. But then again, to be fair, that assumes the fighter would be able to do that the same as you assume the EK could do those castings right off the bat. And this would be cross-class most likely; which limits your ranks (unless you toss in yet another class; but then you lower them there d6’s). And of course it means that he will be wearing lighter armor which means his AC is easier for my Fighter to hack through…not to mention that he gave something up for that Dex to make it all worthwhile; most likely Str & Wisdom and thus either his will saves against other casters is lower or when he does swing that sword it does nto hurt near as much…so then why the fighter part at all???Point being any can say “oh ya but if…” and have any example beat another. But if you look at real encounters out there; your EK will be at an advantage sometimes; not others; same fro everyone out there. Again my point is that an EK as a caster/fighter is inferior to either individually or many of the other classes out there.And again – assuming he has the thing ready and waiting…and that the Fighter does not have true seeing or something on him via some device or a quick buffAnd that was also one of my points that you just made – Character Concept preferences.</blockquote>

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