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<blockquote data-quote="Guilt Puppy" data-source="post: 1765188" data-attributes="member: 6521"><p>While I agree with your first assertion (that they are different modes of describing the universe -- art/culture is another), I don't think disagreeing necessarily means that one or the other is "wrong." For one thing, the whole notion of equivalence that allows them to "disagree" in the first place is a scientific one, so already you're jumping frames.</p><p></p><p>I'm going to avoid the "religion" issue (since it's actually pretty tangential to the debate) by substituting in art, and making it science versus art... It's a metadiscussion, so the same principle will apply. In science, truth is defined as "agreeing with observation;" in art, truth is defined (more loosely) as "agreeing with intuition." If you presume that they must agree to be correct, then quantum physics (which makes little intuitive sense) must be bunk, and Expressionism (which looks little like the reality we observe) must also be bunk.</p><p></p><p>In that sense, a "belief in the paranormal" can be perfectly right, so long as it exists within a framework that supports it. It definitely doesn't fit scientifically, so people who believe in it on a scientific basis could be called "wrong" (I wouldn't call anyone wrong for wishing to research it on a scientific basis, or being curious about it on a scientific basis... but any belief in it, given current observation, has to come from elsewhere.) But from other viewpoints (and yes, religion might be a good term to use, if used broadly), a "belief in the paranormal" may be perfectly right.</p><p></p><p>For more information, please read Kurt Vonnegut's explanation of chrono-synclastic infundibulum in The Sirens of Titan. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Guilt Puppy, post: 1765188, member: 6521"] While I agree with your first assertion (that they are different modes of describing the universe -- art/culture is another), I don't think disagreeing necessarily means that one or the other is "wrong." For one thing, the whole notion of equivalence that allows them to "disagree" in the first place is a scientific one, so already you're jumping frames. I'm going to avoid the "religion" issue (since it's actually pretty tangential to the debate) by substituting in art, and making it science versus art... It's a metadiscussion, so the same principle will apply. In science, truth is defined as "agreeing with observation;" in art, truth is defined (more loosely) as "agreeing with intuition." If you presume that they must agree to be correct, then quantum physics (which makes little intuitive sense) must be bunk, and Expressionism (which looks little like the reality we observe) must also be bunk. In that sense, a "belief in the paranormal" can be perfectly right, so long as it exists within a framework that supports it. It definitely doesn't fit scientifically, so people who believe in it on a scientific basis could be called "wrong" (I wouldn't call anyone wrong for wishing to research it on a scientific basis, or being curious about it on a scientific basis... but any belief in it, given current observation, has to come from elsewhere.) But from other viewpoints (and yes, religion might be a good term to use, if used broadly), a "belief in the paranormal" may be perfectly right. For more information, please read Kurt Vonnegut's explanation of chrono-synclastic infundibulum in The Sirens of Titan. :) [/QUOTE]
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