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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Torm" data-source="post: 1765478" data-attributes="member: 12706">Very well, I will use Science and Art, since you are right, it amounts to the same thing for my purposes here, and provides a beautiful way to illustrate my point.Science is frequently best described as math, and for a lot of people, that math is very boring. BUT, to someone who can understand the math, an equation that is both functional, eloquent, and minimalist to achieve the desired effect can be quite beautiful - a veritable work of Art. And frequently graphic illustrations of the math ARE Art.On the flipside of that, we percieve people, sounds, and images - that is to say, Art - as beautiful or ugly, emotive or not, and when emotive, emotive of happiness or sadness or melancholy, etc. Our presence Science has some equations that, while budding, are beginning to be pretty effective at determining whether, on the whole, people will find a particular thing beautiful or what-have-you, through simple math. The Golden Mean is a good example. But just because we can do that, and probably will do it better and better, as time goes on, doesn't make it NOT Art anymore - science and art don't negate one another.The notion that Art (or religion) are negated by being explainable by science is hogwash. I understand the biology of human reproduction extremely well, but that made my children's births no less a miracle. I understand the astronomy and atmospheric science behind a beautiful sunrise, but it is no less a work of Art for that. To use your terminolgy, your intuition was clearly wrong if it disagrees after the fact with what you then know could have been discovered by observation. And vice-versa. And if that is not true, either your means of observation or your means of intuition (or both) are broken. It is ALL one thing, and it makes sense that the varied ways of studying that one thing agree.</blockquote>

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