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<blockquote data-quote="DevoutlyApathetic" data-source="post: 2121723" data-attributes="member: 1093">I think it's nowhere near as simple as you make it seem.First 2d6+2+2d6 is about 9+7 or 16 average damage.&nbsp; 2d8+5 is about 14.&nbsp;&nbsp; That's only two points up for the fire guy.The water elemental has an AC 2 points higher than the fire elemental.&nbsp; Edit: Only 1 point with dodge, missed this line when I caught it the first time.So....fire hits at +10 versus AC 20, needs to roll a 10, hits .55 of the time.Water hits at +10 versus AC 19, needs to roll an 8, hits .60 of the time.The fire guys averages out 8.8 an attack, water 8.4.The water has more hit points so it really starts to come down to luck.&nbsp; I might bet on the Fire guy since he's more likely to win iniative.&nbsp; In either case it's not a slaughter.The elementals are really quite balanced as is.&nbsp; I'd take another look and remember 2d8+5 is alot more than 2d6+2.&nbsp; Also as hit dice increase the water's higher con will swamp the fire guy.&nbsp; I really think at Large and Huge is the only place Fire has any chance at all.&nbsp; Below the fire does too little damage compared to the water and above power attack will decide it since attack bonus starts to equal AC.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="DevoutlyApathetic, post: 2121723, member: 1093"] I think it's nowhere near as simple as you make it seem. First 2d6+2+[COLOR=Red]2d6[/COLOR] is about 9+[COLOR=Red]7[/COLOR] or 16 average damage. 2d8+5 is about 14. That's only two points up for the fire guy. The water elemental has an AC 2 points higher than the fire elemental. Edit: Only 1 point with dodge, missed this line when I caught it the first time. So....fire hits at +10 versus AC 20, needs to roll a 10, hits .55 of the time. Water hits at +10 versus AC 19, needs to roll an 8, hits .60 of the time. The fire guys averages out 8.8 an attack, water 8.4. The water has more hit points so it really starts to come down to luck. I might bet on the Fire guy since he's more likely to win iniative. In either case it's not a slaughter. The elementals are really quite balanced as is. I'd take another look and remember 2d8+5 is alot more than 2d6+2. Also as hit dice increase the water's higher con will swamp the fire guy. I really think at Large and Huge is the only place Fire has any chance at all. Below the fire does too little damage compared to the water and above power attack will decide it since attack bonus starts to equal AC. [/QUOTE]

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