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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Thornir Alekeg" data-source="post: 3783881" data-attributes="member: 15651">I am getting really tired of people saying this.  Perhaps they are making change for the sake of a vision they have for how the 4e universe should be?  Deep water and the skies at 30,000 feet don't take up a lot of space in any of the books, and there aren't a whole lot of things adventurres might encounter that come from those places, so leaving there isn't anything to dump.  The elemental planes on the other hand seem to come up frequently as adventurers encounter inhabitants of those planes upon their own, or harness powers from those planes.  Makes sense to me to have them become interesting, dynamic places.As for making new planes and leaving the old ones intact - I don't want even more clutter and confusion.  I am certainly open to this change and hope they do a good job with it.</blockquote>