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<blockquote data-quote="Alzrius" data-source="post: 2301557" data-attributes="member: 8461"><p>That's us! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin :D" data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /> </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>To the best of my knowledge, this is a big "no". Bearing in mind that I don't have the <em>Rod of Seven Parts</em> boxed set, nothing even seems to intimate this (beyond what we've discussed here).</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>There's no real reason it couldn't have. Although few in number, there are some instances in D&D planar history that do predate the Blood War. One of those is the Greyhawk gods vs. the Far Realm mentioned above. Another is the pre-history with Jazirian and Ahriman from the <em>Guide to Hell</em>.</p><p></p><p>Probably the biggest sticking point for people to say the Law/Chaos battle couldn't have occured before the Blood War is that the Queen of Chaos and co. are tanar'ri; if there were tanar'ri, then there must have been baatezu then, and if so, they likely knew about each other and were already involved in the Blood War.</p><p></p><p>The above has several points that are assumptions though. Perhaps that was back during the time of the aforementioned Ancient Baatorians (e.g. there were tanar'ri, but the baatezu weren't around yet, and there was no Blood War between the tanar'ri and Ancient Baatorians). Or perhaps this was simply before the two races met (unlikely, but possible). If you wanted to push it back further, you could even say it was before Jazirian and Ahriman formed the shape of the Outer Planes together (though that seems a bit too far back, IMHO).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Alzrius, post: 2301557, member: 8461"] That's us! :D To the best of my knowledge, this is a big "no". Bearing in mind that I don't have the [I]Rod of Seven Parts[/I] boxed set, nothing even seems to intimate this (beyond what we've discussed here). There's no real reason it couldn't have. Although few in number, there are some instances in D&D planar history that do predate the Blood War. One of those is the Greyhawk gods vs. the Far Realm mentioned above. Another is the pre-history with Jazirian and Ahriman from the [I]Guide to Hell[/I]. Probably the biggest sticking point for people to say the Law/Chaos battle couldn't have occured before the Blood War is that the Queen of Chaos and co. are tanar'ri; if there were tanar'ri, then there must have been baatezu then, and if so, they likely knew about each other and were already involved in the Blood War. The above has several points that are assumptions though. Perhaps that was back during the time of the aforementioned Ancient Baatorians (e.g. there were tanar'ri, but the baatezu weren't around yet, and there was no Blood War between the tanar'ri and Ancient Baatorians). Or perhaps this was simply before the two races met (unlikely, but possible). If you wanted to push it back further, you could even say it was before Jazirian and Ahriman formed the shape of the Outer Planes together (though that seems a bit too far back, IMHO). [/QUOTE]
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