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<blockquote data-quote="Erik Mona" data-source="post: 2301995" data-attributes="member: 2174"><p>For the purposes of the Age of Worms Adventure Path, I'm pretty much assuming that the Queen of Chaos and the war against the Wind Dukes happens before the Blood War. I doubt I will ever get into it in enough detail to even mention that chronology, but it is my operating assumption and I've seen nothing in this thread to convince me I should tie it to the Blood War.</p><p></p><p>I likewise think that the only reason the Queen of Chaos is tanar'ri is that _everything_ was tanar'ri at the time of the Rod of Seven Parts boxed set. I therefore consider this open to interpretation. She is undoubtedly evil, and undoubtedly a demon, but I prefer to imagine her as one of the last remnants from an "Age Before Ages," a tentacled matriarch of a demonic line that is now all but extinct.</p><p></p><p>My work in Green Ronin's "Armies of the Abyss" is not canonical in terms of core D&D, of course, but I do like the idea of pre-tanar'ri proto-demons who are perhaps a touch more Lovecraftian. In "Armies" we called them "qlippoth," which is an esoteric term associated with "hollow ones" in the magical tradition of the real world. Again, I don't mention the word qlippoth in Dungeon, but that's basically my intent and you can read between the lines if you wish.</p><p></p><p>I think this still preserves the Queen's cited participation in the Blood War, which would have simply post-dated her involvement in the war against Aaqa.</p><p></p><p>Another D&D nerd question:</p><p></p><p>1. Assuming you use the Blood War and essentially the "ancient" history of the D&D multiverse, how old does that make the war between Law and Chaos? My temptation is to say "several thousand years" (probably tens of thousands), but then we've also got dinosaurs, and my temptation there is to imagine that the "world" of D&D (Oerth, for my purposes) is thus millions of years old, just like Earth. How do you guys square the apparent contradiction? Or has the Blood War been going on for millions of years? Are folks like Orcus and Demogorgon millions of years old? Really? Isn't that a bit lame?</p><p></p><p>I'm struggling with this stuff in my own campaign, and am curious to hear from other DMs who take their D&D nerdery as seriously as I do.</p><p></p><p>Thanks,</p><p></p><p>Erik Mona</p><p><a href="http://www.superunicorn.com/erik" target="_blank">http://www.superunicorn.com/erik</a></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Erik Mona, post: 2301995, member: 2174"] For the purposes of the Age of Worms Adventure Path, I'm pretty much assuming that the Queen of Chaos and the war against the Wind Dukes happens before the Blood War. I doubt I will ever get into it in enough detail to even mention that chronology, but it is my operating assumption and I've seen nothing in this thread to convince me I should tie it to the Blood War. I likewise think that the only reason the Queen of Chaos is tanar'ri is that _everything_ was tanar'ri at the time of the Rod of Seven Parts boxed set. I therefore consider this open to interpretation. She is undoubtedly evil, and undoubtedly a demon, but I prefer to imagine her as one of the last remnants from an "Age Before Ages," a tentacled matriarch of a demonic line that is now all but extinct. My work in Green Ronin's "Armies of the Abyss" is not canonical in terms of core D&D, of course, but I do like the idea of pre-tanar'ri proto-demons who are perhaps a touch more Lovecraftian. In "Armies" we called them "qlippoth," which is an esoteric term associated with "hollow ones" in the magical tradition of the real world. Again, I don't mention the word qlippoth in Dungeon, but that's basically my intent and you can read between the lines if you wish. I think this still preserves the Queen's cited participation in the Blood War, which would have simply post-dated her involvement in the war against Aaqa. Another D&D nerd question: 1. Assuming you use the Blood War and essentially the "ancient" history of the D&D multiverse, how old does that make the war between Law and Chaos? My temptation is to say "several thousand years" (probably tens of thousands), but then we've also got dinosaurs, and my temptation there is to imagine that the "world" of D&D (Oerth, for my purposes) is thus millions of years old, just like Earth. How do you guys square the apparent contradiction? Or has the Blood War been going on for millions of years? Are folks like Orcus and Demogorgon millions of years old? Really? Isn't that a bit lame? I'm struggling with this stuff in my own campaign, and am curious to hear from other DMs who take their D&D nerdery as seriously as I do. Thanks, Erik Mona [url]http://www.superunicorn.com/erik[/url] [/QUOTE]
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