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Message: <blockquote data-quote="BOZ" data-source="post: 2829387" data-attributes="member: 1241">So, Ogrémoch was involved in only the final battle of the war between the Queen of Chaos and Miska?  And we have no knowledge of the others being involved?  It would make sense that they did not cooperate, so I can understand if he was the only one involved in that conflict.  (though, it would have been interesting to see something weird, like Yan-C-Bin supporting the vaati, heh)If the evil archomentals were not mentioned in the original Temple of Elemental Evil, is it possible (likely?) that they were involved behind the scenes?  Would that interfere with the Tharizdun/Zuggtmoy dynamic?  I know that Imix figured fairly prominently in the "Return" module but was not the main bad guy, so what was the nature of his involvement?  Did he want in on the action?  Were the others involved somehow but bowed out, leaving more room for him to be involved?  Did Tharizdun choose to involve him?  What pages would I look for this information?  Are there also some clues in the Zuggtmoy Demonomicon article (I'll look for myself, of course)?Do we know anything more about the early origins of the archomentals, other than Tharizdun may have spawned them?  (anyone have a page number for RotToEE where their parentage is confirmed?) What is/was their relationship to him besides that, if any?  Any indication as to how old they are?  Compared to other ancient beings, like the Queen of Chaos, or certain ancient demons, or the gods?I won't be using Bwimb (just the original 5), though I may toss his/her name around a bit.  Of course, now that I think of it, what sort of relationship did the 5 main evil archomentals have with the lesser folks (like Ehkahk and Chilimba)?  Allies, rivals, etc?IIRC, I think some of them were responsible for creating their good-aligned counterparts (Zaaman Rul is apparently the son of Imix, for example); are all of the origins of the good archomentals described?  Did the evil archomentals create any other beings?What, if any, is their relationship with Grumbar, Istishia, Akadi, and Kossuth?Do we know if these 5 have any established relationships with other gods?  What about archfiends?  (curious to see if they are mentioned in FC1, but that won't help me at the moment)Do these 5 archomentals have any other notable servants, or creations, artifacts, notable allies?  Who are their enemies (besides each other), and do we know how these relationships formed?  The "why's" are often more important than the "how's".  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />That's interesting.  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> Is their involvement in the setting more of an "oh, by the way" mentioning, or do they have more direct involvement and interests therein? I may not use the AQ stuff much at all, but it might just be interesting for me to know.</blockquote>

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