Reply to thread

Message

<blockquote data-quote="catsclaw227" data-source="post: 2770103" data-attributes="member: 14197">Can elementals be charmed?&nbsp; And if so, what happens to a summoned elemental that is charmed by the enemy to turn on it's summoners?Here's the scenario:&nbsp; My party was being harrassed by an erinyes devil, when they pulled out a recently discovered Shades scroll.&nbsp; The sorcerer then used it to cast Monster Summon VIII and summon a greater air elemental to take out the eyrines.&nbsp; (granted it was a shade version, and we assumed 4/5 power on the elemental)First, assume the elemental was real and not a shade illusion of one --The erinyes cast charm monster (DC 19).&nbsp; Are elementals affected by charm?&nbsp; We're all seasoned players and GMs and thought we remembered something about elementals being immune to enchantment/charm spell, but there wasn't anything in the DMG or MM about it (nothing we could find at least... it was like 2am though and we were brain-fried).&nbsp; Anyway... if it was affected by charm, then it failed (rolled a 7, has a Will +9).&nbsp; Can a real (non-shade/illusion) elemental be turned back on it's summoners with a charm monster or suggestion/domination spell?&nbsp; If the mini-pact created by a summoned creature and it's master is broken, does the summoned monster return?Second Question -- Since it WAS a shade version, an illusion, of a summoned creature, how does that work?Catsclaw</blockquote>

[QUOTE="catsclaw227, post: 2770103, member: 14197"] Can elementals be charmed? And if so, what happens to a summoned elemental that is charmed by the enemy to turn on it's summoners? Here's the scenario: My party was being harrassed by an erinyes devil, when they pulled out a recently discovered Shades scroll. The sorcerer then used it to cast Monster Summon VIII and summon a greater air elemental to take out the eyrines. (granted it was a shade version, and we assumed 4/5 power on the elemental) First, assume the elemental was real and not a shade illusion of one -- The erinyes cast charm monster (DC 19). Are elementals affected by charm? We're all seasoned players and GMs and thought we remembered something about elementals being immune to enchantment/charm spell, but there wasn't anything in the DMG or MM about it (nothing we could find at least... it was like 2am though and we were brain-fried). Anyway... if it was affected by charm, then it failed (rolled a 7, has a Will +9). Can a real (non-shade/illusion) elemental be turned back on it's summoners with a charm monster or suggestion/domination spell? If the mini-pact created by a summoned creature and it's master is broken, does the summoned monster return? Second Question -- Since it WAS a shade version, an illusion, of a summoned creature, how does that work? Catsclaw [/QUOTE]

Verification