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<blockquote data-quote="Quasqueton" data-source="post: 824966" data-attributes="member: 3854"><p>Really? I'll agree that they are alive in the D&D magic sense of the word. But that is the only sense that an eternally burning force of raw 'nature' is alive. Or an animate hunk of rock is alive. Or a wispy, barely tangible cloud of vapor is alive. Or a sentient wave is alive.</p><p></p><p>If they were truly alive "in every sense of the word". . .</p><p></p><p>Can you suffocate an earth elemental?</p><p></p><p>Does an air elemental eat and make waste?</p><p></p><p>Do elementals sleep?</p><p></p><p>Etc.</p><p></p><p>I know and understand that there is a fair amount of suspension of disbelief and hand waving about the concept of an elemental creature. I have no problem with this. But it just struck me as 'weird' that (pure) elementals were not immune to subdual damage, as they are immune to stunning and critical hits.</p><p></p><p>As for my follow up question on what happens to the physical bodies of unconscious elementals -- does a knocked out air elemental float in mid air? Does a water elemental retain its wave form? Does a fire elemental continue to burn? Can you tell if an unmoving earth elemental is alive or dead or unconscious?</p><p></p><p>Though D&D3 doesn't tell exactly how elementals are 'alive' or what happens when you shove a spear through one, I've always considered attacks to disrupt the magical essence that holds them together. But I'm at a loss for describing the effects of a sap over one's 'head'.</p><p></p><p>[The actual situation in our game was using a whip. But all elementals have enough natural armor to ignore the whip subdual damage. But the question came up, and I thought I'd ask for future reference.]</p><p></p><p>Quasqueton</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Quasqueton, post: 824966, member: 3854"] Really? I'll agree that they are alive in the D&D magic sense of the word. But that is the only sense that an eternally burning force of raw 'nature' is alive. Or an animate hunk of rock is alive. Or a wispy, barely tangible cloud of vapor is alive. Or a sentient wave is alive. If they were truly alive "in every sense of the word". . . Can you suffocate an earth elemental? Does an air elemental eat and make waste? Do elementals sleep? Etc. I know and understand that there is a fair amount of suspension of disbelief and hand waving about the concept of an elemental creature. I have no problem with this. But it just struck me as 'weird' that (pure) elementals were not immune to subdual damage, as they are immune to stunning and critical hits. As for my follow up question on what happens to the physical bodies of unconscious elementals -- does a knocked out air elemental float in mid air? Does a water elemental retain its wave form? Does a fire elemental continue to burn? Can you tell if an unmoving earth elemental is alive or dead or unconscious? Though D&D3 doesn't tell exactly how elementals are 'alive' or what happens when you shove a spear through one, I've always considered attacks to disrupt the magical essence that holds them together. But I'm at a loss for describing the effects of a sap over one's 'head'. [The actual situation in our game was using a whip. But all elementals have enough natural armor to ignore the whip subdual damage. But the question came up, and I thought I'd ask for future reference.] Quasqueton [/QUOTE]
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