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<blockquote data-quote="kreynolds" data-source="post: 825031" data-attributes="member: 2829"><p>Its not that simple. They are alive, regardless of magic. What happens when an elemental steps into an antimagic field? Nothing. Magic does not bind them together.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I don't know. The Slayer's Guide to Elementals has not been released yet. However, none of the above question change anything. In regards to D&D, in every sense of the word, elementals are alive. They are not constructs. They are not objects. They are not animated objects. They are a type of living creature. Most notably, this is evident based upon the fact that they have a Con score.</p><p></p><p>Twisting "in every sense of the word" into a semantic argument doesn't change anything, as according to the rules, they are alive.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The reason they can't be stunned is because they don't have any weak spots, because they don't have a discernable anatomy, which is why they are immune to crits and sneak attacks. However, subdual damage doesn't really have anything to do with stunning. That's a whole different manner. Subdual is merely a way to damage a creature without killing it. You can't "hurt" a skeleton. Its already dead (sort of), thus its immune to subdual.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Whatever would normally happen, I would guess. The same kind of wierd question can also be asked of a knocked out beholder, or even a dead one, for that matter (shudders at the thought of that thread).</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Sounds good to me, or have it fall to the floor. Whatever really.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Sure. Why not? I wouldn't recommend having it turn into a large puddle of water. Its not an ooze.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Absolutely. Its made of fire.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Sure. Kick it or hit it with a warhammer and see what happens. The same question could be asked of any construct. Although, Earth Elementals do not automatically get to look like inanimate statues. That would require a disguise check. No joke.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Magic does not hold them together, at least not on a level that matters. If it did, they would go "poof" in an antimagic field.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Its definately a wierd topic, but I do think you're over-complicating the matter somewhat. Try to keep it simple. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="kreynolds, post: 825031, member: 2829"] Its not that simple. They are alive, regardless of magic. What happens when an elemental steps into an antimagic field? Nothing. Magic does not bind them together. I don't know. The Slayer's Guide to Elementals has not been released yet. However, none of the above question change anything. In regards to D&D, in every sense of the word, elementals are alive. They are not constructs. They are not objects. They are not animated objects. They are a type of living creature. Most notably, this is evident based upon the fact that they have a Con score. Twisting "in every sense of the word" into a semantic argument doesn't change anything, as according to the rules, they are alive. The reason they can't be stunned is because they don't have any weak spots, because they don't have a discernable anatomy, which is why they are immune to crits and sneak attacks. However, subdual damage doesn't really have anything to do with stunning. That's a whole different manner. Subdual is merely a way to damage a creature without killing it. You can't "hurt" a skeleton. Its already dead (sort of), thus its immune to subdual. Whatever would normally happen, I would guess. The same kind of wierd question can also be asked of a knocked out beholder, or even a dead one, for that matter (shudders at the thought of that thread). Sounds good to me, or have it fall to the floor. Whatever really. Sure. Why not? I wouldn't recommend having it turn into a large puddle of water. Its not an ooze. Absolutely. Its made of fire. Sure. Kick it or hit it with a warhammer and see what happens. The same question could be asked of any construct. Although, Earth Elementals do not automatically get to look like inanimate statues. That would require a disguise check. No joke. Magic does not hold them together, at least not on a level that matters. If it did, they would go "poof" in an antimagic field. Its definately a wierd topic, but I do think you're over-complicating the matter somewhat. Try to keep it simple. :) [/QUOTE]
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