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<blockquote data-quote="Kemrain" data-source="post: 1861088" data-attributes="member: 12153"><p>Yeah, I left that out intentionally, because I don't have those things planned out yet. I was looking for a critique of the abilities, and boy did I get one. Thanks!</p><p></p><p>Having just reread the rules of Dispel, I see that you may be right about the situational modifiers thing. The way I understood it was that, if you failed the Spellcraft check you could still Dispel the spell, you just took the -10 'don't know the spell lists involved' penalty by default. It says, however, that the GM sets the DC in secret, and that modifiers apply, so, I'm a little wrong. I'll be houseruling that in my game, so this ability is just a little more situational (IMC) than the -5 'only know some of the lists involved' penalty. </p><p>Fail Spellcraft check = -10 to Dispel checks.</p><p>Made Spellcraft, know no lists involved = -10 penalty (-5 with this ability.)</p><p>Made Spellcraft, know at least one list involved = -5 penalty (No penalty with this ability.)</p><p>Made Spellcraft, know all lists involved = No penalty.</p><p>--- As opposed to EoMr's way ---</p><p>Know none of the lists involved = -10 (+10 to the Dispel DC.)</p><p>Know some but not all of the lists involved = -5 (+5 to the Dispel DC.)</p><p>Know all of the lists involved = No penalty (No DC increase.)</p><p></p><p>I had thought my mistake was RAW, but it seems I was, um, mistaken. Oh well, like I said, I'm houseruling this, but takign that into account do you still think this is a bad ability?</p><p>Good eye, thanks for spotting this.</p><p></p><p></p><p> This is unbalanced even when you take into account that the bonus MP can't surpass your MP limit? Sure, you can spend 10 MP to get 15, but you still can't cast Dispel MAgic 15/Gen 0 with an MP limit of 10. Plus, any MP spent on General Effects isn't taken into account when calculating the Free MP. A 20th level Mage with this ability could cast Dispel Magic 15/Gen 5 and actually spend 15 MP, because 5 of the Dispel MAgic MP is free.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I figured that, since it's not a free action (but counts as your qickened spell for the round anyways), and can only apply to Dispel MAgic, this ability was fairly balanced against the lack of an MP cost. I wanted the class with this ability to be masters at counterspelling, and being able to counter and cast in a round is a step in that direction. You really think this is overpowered?</p><p></p><p>- Kemrain the Not-Finished-Replying-Yet.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Kemrain, post: 1861088, member: 12153"] Yeah, I left that out intentionally, because I don't have those things planned out yet. I was looking for a critique of the abilities, and boy did I get one. Thanks! Having just reread the rules of Dispel, I see that you may be right about the situational modifiers thing. The way I understood it was that, if you failed the Spellcraft check you could still Dispel the spell, you just took the -10 'don't know the spell lists involved' penalty by default. It says, however, that the GM sets the DC in secret, and that modifiers apply, so, I'm a little wrong. I'll be houseruling that in my game, so this ability is just a little more situational (IMC) than the -5 'only know some of the lists involved' penalty. Fail Spellcraft check = -10 to Dispel checks. Made Spellcraft, know no lists involved = -10 penalty (-5 with this ability.) Made Spellcraft, know at least one list involved = -5 penalty (No penalty with this ability.) Made Spellcraft, know all lists involved = No penalty. --- As opposed to EoMr's way --- Know none of the lists involved = -10 (+10 to the Dispel DC.) Know some but not all of the lists involved = -5 (+5 to the Dispel DC.) Know all of the lists involved = No penalty (No DC increase.) I had thought my mistake was RAW, but it seems I was, um, mistaken. Oh well, like I said, I'm houseruling this, but takign that into account do you still think this is a bad ability? Good eye, thanks for spotting this. This is unbalanced even when you take into account that the bonus MP can't surpass your MP limit? Sure, you can spend 10 MP to get 15, but you still can't cast Dispel MAgic 15/Gen 0 with an MP limit of 10. Plus, any MP spent on General Effects isn't taken into account when calculating the Free MP. A 20th level Mage with this ability could cast Dispel Magic 15/Gen 5 and actually spend 15 MP, because 5 of the Dispel MAgic MP is free. I figured that, since it's not a free action (but counts as your qickened spell for the round anyways), and can only apply to Dispel MAgic, this ability was fairly balanced against the lack of an MP cost. I wanted the class with this ability to be masters at counterspelling, and being able to counter and cast in a round is a step in that direction. You really think this is overpowered? - Kemrain the Not-Finished-Replying-Yet. [/QUOTE]
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