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Message: <blockquote data-quote="mbgrove" data-source="post: 1541953" data-attributes="member: 14422">Questions on (mostly) CreateFirst of all, I want to say that I am /very/ impressed with EOM(R).  Much goodness!  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":-)" title="Smile    :-)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":-)" />And now my questions...My first question is, can you have multiple instances of the same list in the same spell?  Take Abjure Force, for instance.  Abjure Force can give you a deflection bonus to armor or a saving throw bonus or energy resistance or an energy buffer.  Would it be possible to get multiple effects in one casting?  If so, would it be created (Create Force 1, Create Force 1), where the first one is giving a deflection bonus and the second one is giving a saving throw bonus?  Or would it be Create Force 2 with 1 of it defined as giving the deflection bonus and the other giving the saving throw bonus?  (Personally, I would angle towards the second option, at least for reasons below.)============Create - In Create, we have the Elemental Object enhancement.  I have a couple of different questions regarding this.  First of all, in a couple of the examples (Mage Armor and Mage Plate), Create Force is used to create armor made of force.  But, Elemental Object says, "If you are using Create Death, Force, Life, Space, or Time to create a physical object, you must select this enhancement, because there is no normal physical version of those elements."   I read these as creating physical versions of Force.  (How else would it give an armor bonus?)  So...  are the examples wrong or am I thinking of this wrong?That being said, you'd need to be at least 3rd level in order to do a Create Force 3, with 1 being used for the max GP value and 2 being used for the Elemental Object enhancement.  You could use other elements also, but it is the physical representation of the element that is what gives you the armor bonus, right?  (On a more... enlightening... note, just think of plate mail made from Create Light.  I'm not thinkin' you'd be on the vampires Christmas list.  ::grin:: )============Question on the Elemental Weapon...  Can you just create an Elemental Weapon out of any element and wield it?  Would you have to use the Elemental Object enhancement first?  So, if I wanted a force blade, how would I do it?  I can think of at least 4 different ways at the moment:  (Assuming a 5 MP spell)* Use Elemental Weapon for 3d6 damage, doing no other damage but force, since it isn't in the "form" of anything specific (I didn't use any MP to purchase a GP limit). (But could I hold it?  Would it have a physical form?)* Use 1 MP to create an object up to 100 GP (call it a long sword), 3 MPs to give it extra damage from Elemental Weapon and have another MP for general enhancements.  It would do 1d8 as a long sword and +2d6 of force damage. (Again, could I even hold it?)And variants on above: * Use Elemental Object (2 MPs) to create the weapon out of force and 3 MPs to give it 2d6 damage.  Would only do the 2d6 of force damage, since it isn't in the form of any specific weapon.  (Would actually be a physical "thing" to wield.)* Use 1 MP to create an object up to 100 GP (call it a long sword), 2 MPs for Elemental Object, and 1 MP for Elemental Weapon.  Would be a long sword doing 1d8 with an additional +1d6 of force damage.So basically, could you just create a weapon (not a specific sword like long sword, just a "weapon") that you could wield without using MPs for GP cost or "physical manifestation" only doing the elemental damage?  Or would you have to use one or both of the GP costs and physical manifestation (Elemental Object)?============And last, but not least, another question on Elemental Weapon...  I noticed that 1 MP gives you +1d6 damage, 3 MP gives you +2d6 damage, etc.  This is the reason that I like option 2 from the first question, since otherwise you could do (Create Force 1, Create Force 1) on your already existing long sword to give it +2d6 damage instead of using (Create Force 3).  I guess this isn't just a question, but more of a clarification that needs to be put in either as "You can't have the same list in the same spell twice" or "You can have multiple effects of the same list in the same spell, but the effects can't be duplicated (I.e. can't have 2 separate instances of Abjure Nature 1 in an Abjure Nature 2 spell for an AC bonus of +4 instead of +3 that it would be for a straight Abjure Nature 2 spell).  Again, I like option number 2, but it needs to be stated explicitly.  (Yes, I do know people who would try to twist it the way things are.)Well, I think that's "all" for now.  ::wry smile::  Thanks for any clarification....</blockquote>

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