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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Primitive Screwhead" data-source="post: 1635057" data-attributes="member: 20805">Kemrain: I would agree that Mages are much more powerful than Wizards! The free Subtle casting and casting from unknown spell lists are way too much.My suggestions:  Wizards, Dont force the Charged item creation, but the Extra Sig Spells would be something any Wizard would want anyway. The rest I like! I can just imagine a bumbling Wizard searching through piles of scrolls during combat looking for the right spell to cast! Mages, go to the opposite extreme and disallow a Mage from casting Signature spells at all. The Quicken Spell cost for a signature spell could cut the casting time down to a standard action. Drop the Silent and Stilled for free, thats way to powerful. Grant them extra spell lists equal to thier CHR modifer per level. Also, start them at a half caster level then increase by 1 caster level after that. They will be a little bit behind thier Wizard cousins in MPs to make up for the flexibility. To sum it up, you would have two extremes, one side can cast spells quickly, but only ones that are prepared in advance. The other can cast a mass variety of spells, but takes time to get them right.I have decided to cut cantrips from the system entirely, granting extra MP equal to the number of cantrips.. which boils down to the same result. The difference is you don't need to track how many cantrips you have used. A character with half a caster level would have a max MP cost of 1, which avoids the "I am a mage but can't cast anything" problem.I am contemplating a system of splitting the elements into three sections where a caster of that type cannot use, or has to pay more, for lists from the opposite side of the spectrum. The three types would be Divine, based in Life, Damned, based in death, and Druidic, based on the core elements that make up the middle band on the element chart. My idea is to use this method to create Clerics and Druids.. but I am eargerly awaiting the second book so I don't have to do the hard [read creative] work <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> Bards I think could be handled by making them a subset of Mage, gaining only half a caster level per level [ack! that sounds wrong!] and their tradition would include requiring music, be it harp, drum, chanting, or song, as a component to the spell.JMHO</blockquote>

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