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Message: <blockquote data-quote="RandomUsernamehmimo71" data-source="post: 1645637" data-attributes="member: 9051">That's what I love about this design. It's clever.. And it looks great in a visual story mode.What bugs me, though, is that they still don't feel entirely balanced, and I think you might be right about the sublte effect..The problem, as I see it, is it's trying to emulate the 2nd edition psionics style of casting, where you just concentrate, and don't necessarily have a visual effect of the casting.. That's great and all, but forcing wizards to have one is a big minus for them.That's why I think Wizards needs something that makes up for it.. If you were going to keep Mages having Silent and stilled spells, (bigger than two feats), then the Wizard needs something Specific, something that's special for them.Scribe scroll should certainly be free for them, since their entire class depends on it.But for a wizard specific  effect, I'm at a loss.. Something about letting them "read magic" on scrolls for free? Ideas?I understand where you're going with this, but I don't like it.. I still think both Mages and Wizards should cast spells, and both should be ABLE to learn new spells from a book, but that Wizards can cast out of a book in combat, and can memorize (prepare) spells that aren't from their spell-lists... Assuming they are in the book.I think it's a great balance as it is.. Mages are good at flexibility, and can create new spells in combat, at half MP.Wizards are spell-masters, and can learn any spell, even if it's not in a Spell-list..Realisitically, thinking about the two, the main difference is that to cast non spell-list spells, there are two approaches-The wizard has to use a memorized spell, from a bookwhere the mage has to use only half her total MP.Both work well, and both balance, at least on the surface.. The problem comes in that when casting spell-list spells, the mage has a big bonus..They can cast non signature spells, and the wizard can't.. I don't see what the wizard gets in return here. Granted, above, they have a balance, but here, the mage seems ahead..Kemrain, could you help to explain why I'm wrong?The Cantrips = Spells / day is brilliant, and I love it very much.  Then again, I've suggested it before as well <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />-Colin</blockquote>

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