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<blockquote data-quote="astriemer" data-source="post: 1835009" data-attributes="member: 19771">I didn't think the 5 MP version was extreme either. I was saying the for 1 MP (or 0 MP) giving a -40 penalty seems extreme.&nbsp; Granted, it is a natural side effect (as natural as things can be in a magical world) similar to coating with flour, but it seems to break the cost system somewhat. What's to stop me from making a simple cantrip likeCOAT WITH DUSTCreate Metal 0/Gen 0Total MP: 0Range: TouchDuration: 1 minuteArea: 5' squareSaving Throw: NoneA cloud of golden particles covers everyone and everything in the area, outlining invisible things for the duration of the spell. All within the area are covered by the dust, which cannot be removed and continues to sparkle until it fades.Any creature covered by the dust takes a –40 penalty on Hide checks.Granted, you'd have to target the correct square and it has to be next to you. I suppose that it is not that much different than what would happen if you spread flour in the square next to you. Okay, I suppose the cantrip isn't too powerful given the implications of the glitterdust spell.However, if you compare it to a 0 MP cantrip Drain, it is much more powerful (though more limited in scope as it applies to only one specific dex based skill).Any thoughts RW?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="astriemer, post: 1835009, member: 19771"] I didn't think the 5 MP version was extreme either. I was saying the for 1 MP (or 0 MP) giving a -40 penalty seems extreme. Granted, it is a natural side effect (as natural as things can be in a magical world) similar to coating with flour, but it seems to break the cost system somewhat. What's to stop me from making a simple cantrip like COAT WITH DUST Create Metal 0/Gen 0 Total MP: 0 Range: Touch Duration: 1 minute Area: 5' square Saving Throw: None A cloud of golden particles covers everyone and everything in the area, outlining invisible things for the duration of the spell. All within the area are covered by the dust, which cannot be removed and continues to sparkle until it fades. Any creature covered by the dust takes a –40 penalty on Hide checks. Granted, you'd have to target the correct square and it has to be next to you. I suppose that it is not that much different than what would happen if you spread flour in the square next to you. Okay, I suppose the cantrip isn't too powerful given the implications of the glitterdust spell. However, if you compare it to a 0 MP cantrip Drain, it is much more powerful (though more limited in scope as it applies to only one specific dex based skill). Any thoughts RW? [/QUOTE]

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