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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Obryn" data-source="post: 5927359" data-attributes="member: 11821">I've seen some of the dislike but I've never seen it for that reason.  It'd be nonsensical given that 4e Wizards and Fighters use very similar power structures - not quite identical, with the Wizard's spellbook, but very very similar.  So I hate asking for a cite - but could you give an example?  Because they are being wrong on the internet.I've complaints about Vancian casting, and they're usually gameplay-centric, rather than gameworld-centric."Vancian" implies three things... (1) a strict Daily spell allocation, (2) lack of Encounter & at-will spells, and (3) huge amounts of day-to-day flexibility.  It's not just "has Daily spells."The complaints I've seen are more about Wizards and Clerics being the "any-class" depending on their daily spell choices, the amount of power such flexibility implies, 15-minute workdays after daily novas, exponential vs. linear advancement, and the relative power disparity between casters and non-casters.I don't necessarily buy any of these arguments, mind you.  I've run 1e recently, and it runs perfectly well.-O</blockquote>