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Elephant in the room: rogue and fighter dailies.
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<blockquote data-quote="Bobbum Man" data-source="post: 5928355" data-attributes="member: 6688219"><p>That's confirmation bias.</p><p></p><p>You're not seeing these things, because you want to believe that his blog was a rational argument completely free of personal agenda instead of a childish temper tantrum disguised as an essay against a game he doesn't personally like.</p><p></p><p>He didn't come right out and insult anyone openly, but if you read between the lines of what he's saying, it becomes clear that he's implicitly attacking 4E and the people who play it.</p><p></p><p>Note: The original blog post is ALL about 4E and it's mechanics. That is the only game that he cites where dissociated mechanics have a negative impact on the gameplay. Every single example he calls out is a 4E example...and no...other...game. This is despite the fact that metagame mechanics have always been around.</p><p></p><p>Note: The structure of the bog post is NOT an introduction to the idea of dissociated mechanics. It's written more or less as a thesis, the premise being: "4E is not a roleplaying game, but rather a miniatures wargame because of dissociated mechanics".</p><p></p><p>The implication here is that, according to the Alexandrian, when you are playing 4E and making use of a martial daily power, or a healing surge, or an action point, then you are not roleplaying. You are in fact playing a tactical miniatures game and not a roleplaying game. And since D&D is traditionally a roleplaying game, when you are playing 4E, which by virtue of the mechanics is NOT a roleplaying game, then you are playing D&D wrong.</p><p></p><p>To condense his message down into it's most basic premise:</p><p></p><p>4E=Wrong D&D.</p><p></p><p>JA wrote that blog specifically to lambast 4E and insult it's fans (by implicitly stating that they were playing D&D wrong), and all under the guise of a theory which, as it turns out, is actually nothing but a pretentious hissy fit based on logic that is spurious at best.</p><p></p><p>Now if you really feel the need to talk crap about how people play their games, then fine. But please do them the basic courtesy of making it explicit, rather than hiding behind the Alexandrian's bs pseudo-intellectual posturing.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Bobbum Man, post: 5928355, member: 6688219"] That's confirmation bias. You're not seeing these things, because you want to believe that his blog was a rational argument completely free of personal agenda instead of a childish temper tantrum disguised as an essay against a game he doesn't personally like. He didn't come right out and insult anyone openly, but if you read between the lines of what he's saying, it becomes clear that he's implicitly attacking 4E and the people who play it. Note: The original blog post is ALL about 4E and it's mechanics. That is the only game that he cites where dissociated mechanics have a negative impact on the gameplay. Every single example he calls out is a 4E example...and no...other...game. This is despite the fact that metagame mechanics have always been around. Note: The structure of the bog post is NOT an introduction to the idea of dissociated mechanics. It's written more or less as a thesis, the premise being: "4E is not a roleplaying game, but rather a miniatures wargame because of dissociated mechanics". The implication here is that, according to the Alexandrian, when you are playing 4E and making use of a martial daily power, or a healing surge, or an action point, then you are not roleplaying. You are in fact playing a tactical miniatures game and not a roleplaying game. And since D&D is traditionally a roleplaying game, when you are playing 4E, which by virtue of the mechanics is NOT a roleplaying game, then you are playing D&D wrong. To condense his message down into it's most basic premise: 4E=Wrong D&D. JA wrote that blog specifically to lambast 4E and insult it's fans (by implicitly stating that they were playing D&D wrong), and all under the guise of a theory which, as it turns out, is actually nothing but a pretentious hissy fit based on logic that is spurious at best. Now if you really feel the need to talk crap about how people play their games, then fine. But please do them the basic courtesy of making it explicit, rather than hiding behind the Alexandrian's bs pseudo-intellectual posturing. [/QUOTE]
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