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<blockquote data-quote="Jer" data-source="post: 8643028" data-attributes="member: 19857">Speaking with experience and the benefit of hindsight - race as class worked back in the day because character customization was essentially moot.&nbsp; Being able to play an Elf was basically a reward in the character creation minigame of stat rolling - were you lucky enough to be able to play the character who could use a sword and cast spells?&nbsp; Congratulations! You rolled really well and won't be stuck playing the cleric this time. As the character creation minigame fell out of favor and character modeling became the approach the majority wanted, the race-as-class choice became less interesting.&nbsp; Even by the end of BECMI there was a Dwarf Cleric class and an Elf Warrior class (among others) that had worked their way into the game via Gazetteers and the Hollow World boxed set to acknowledge that the race-as-class design of BECMI was just lacking something.&nbsp; (Separating Races and Classes in BECMI was always one of the big house rules I'd see people make back in the day too).I think for 5e&nbsp; race-as-class foils one of 5e's core design elements, which is that players should be making a small number of big choices at character creation.&nbsp; Race, Class, Background - rolling Race and Class into one thing removes a big choice with no return.Having said that - I think having a class that Elves can take that represents that traditional Elven Fighter/Wizard is an interesting idea.&nbsp; And I do agree that the Eldritch Knight isn't quite it, so I'm interested to see where you go with this.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Jer, post: 8643028, member: 19857"] Speaking with experience and the benefit of hindsight - race as class worked back in the day because character customization was essentially moot. Being able to play an Elf was basically a reward in the character creation minigame of stat rolling - were you lucky enough to be able to play the character who could use a sword and cast spells? Congratulations! You rolled really well and won't be stuck playing the cleric this time. As the character creation minigame fell out of favor and character modeling became the approach the majority wanted, the race-as-class choice became less interesting. Even by the end of BECMI there was a Dwarf Cleric class and an Elf Warrior class (among others) that had worked their way into the game via Gazetteers and the Hollow World boxed set to acknowledge that the race-as-class design of BECMI was just lacking something. (Separating Races and Classes in BECMI was always one of the big house rules I'd see people make back in the day too). I think for 5e race-as-class foils one of 5e's core design elements, which is that players should be making a small number of big choices at character creation. Race, Class, Background - rolling Race and Class into one thing removes a big choice with no return. Having said that - I think having a class that Elves can take that represents that traditional Elven Fighter/Wizard is an interesting idea. And I do agree that the Eldritch Knight isn't quite it, so I'm interested to see where you go with this. [/QUOTE]

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