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Message: <blockquote data-quote="azarias" data-source="post: 4305226" data-attributes="member: 54755">Con dump - for a ranged  Cleric, this is vaguely possible. For a melee Cleric - which was what I was talking about above - well, a lot less so. Yes, you can rely on your healing to heal thyself - but you're hardly going to be the party's central melee player, and therefore chances are your healing is needed elsewhere: 4E d&d is a team game like never before, and you're not going to be slaying many dragons by yourself (not in melee, at least): everyone needs the combat hulks up; you make a poor replacement for them if they fall. So if you're going to storm into melee yourself, you need decent hit points and surges. A mid-level Con - 14 or thereabouts - is going to be a great help for the melee Cleric: the Toughness feat wouldn't go amiss either. A lot of melee Cleric builds have higher Con, too - especially 16 Con Dwarves.The ranged Cleric, on the other hand, can probably get away with the luxury of a 12 or so in Con. If he's going high Dex, he has less interest in heavy armour feats, and he'll likely lack the Str for those anyway.But at the risk of repeating myself - if you put the classes in order of melee potency, where does the Str/Wis Cleric appear?FighterPaladinRangerWarlord(here, maybe?)Rogue(or here?)...with, perhaps, only the Wizard and Warlock coming in lower.There's a lot to be said for making a ranged 4E Cleric</blockquote>