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<blockquote data-quote="Yaarel" data-source="post: 9286367" data-attributes="member: 58172"><p>It is also worth mentioning the Drow ability scores are all over the place across the D&D editions.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Originally in AD&D 1e, the Drow are sexually dimorphic. The abilities are in the Vault of the Drow adventure setting, and in the Fiend Folio.</p><p></p><p><strong>1e Drow Elf:</strong> each score is determined by a separate mechanics, whose score ranges are as follows</p><p>Dexterity 14-20</p><p>Intelligence female 13-18 (male 11-18)</p><p>Charisma female 11-18 (male 9-16)</p><p>Wisdom female 9-18 (male 9-12)</p><p>Strength female 9-14 (male 7-12)</p><p>Constitution 4-16</p><p></p><p>Both sexes would translate roughly into 5e: Dexterity +2, Intelligence +1, with Constitution dump</p><p></p><p></p><p>Indeed, consider the AD&D 2e Drow and compare to the 2e Gray Elf.</p><p></p><p><strong>2e Drow Elf:</strong> Dexterity +2, Intelligence +1 ... Str −1, Con −2</p><p><strong>2e Gray Elf:</strong> Intelligence +2, Dexterity +1 ... Con −1, Str −2</p><p></p><p></p><p>HOWEVER, also in AD&D 1e</p><p></p><p>Gygax via the Unearthed Arcana has the Drow use the SAME ABILITY SCORES AS HUMANS: namely 3d6 without any improvement or any penalty. This kind of Drow lacks Dexterity improvement and has a Constitution as tough as a Human.</p><p></p><p><strong>1e UA Drow Elf:</strong> abilities are the SAME as Human</p><p></p><p></p><p>D&D 3e mechanics changes all +1s and −1s into even number +2s and −2s. The third edition also decides to make all Drow, even males, be very high Charisma. The rationale is apparently the social skills that are necessary to survive in an extremely competitive treacherous culture. This charismatic Drow enters popculture, which leans into the Charisma of the Drow, including seductiveness and deception.</p><p></p><p><strong>3e Drow Elf:</strong> Cha +2, Int +2, Dex +2, −2 Str, −2 Con</p><p></p><p></p><p>Then 4e transmits this 3e high Charisma Drow, but keeps in mind female Clerics:</p><p></p><p><strong>4e Drow Elf:</strong> +2 Dexterity, +2 either Charisma or Wisdom</p><p></p><p></p><p>Finally, 5e reconceives 4e while downplaying 3e Charisma, and returning to 1e Dexterity:</p><p></p><p><strong>5e 2014 Drow Elf:</strong> +2 Dexterity, +1 Charisma</p><p></p><p></p><p>However, the traditional Drow scores across the D&D editions can be almost any number.</p><p>• Charisma, Wisdom, Intelligence, and Dexterity can all be superhuman, with +2, and starting at a score of 20</p><p>• Constitution and Strength, even these scores can be decent and starting at 18</p><p></p><p></p><p><strong>5e 2024 Drow Elf:</strong> the player chooses which scores to improve, +2 to one and +1 to an other</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Yaarel, post: 9286367, member: 58172"] It is also worth mentioning the Drow ability scores are all over the place across the D&D editions. Originally in AD&D 1e, the Drow are sexually dimorphic. The abilities are in the Vault of the Drow adventure setting, and in the Fiend Folio. [B]1e Drow Elf:[/B] each score is determined by a separate mechanics, whose score ranges are as follows Dexterity 14-20 Intelligence female 13-18 (male 11-18) Charisma female 11-18 (male 9-16) Wisdom female 9-18 (male 9-12) Strength female 9-14 (male 7-12) Constitution 4-16 Both sexes would translate roughly into 5e: Dexterity +2, Intelligence +1, with Constitution dump Indeed, consider the AD&D 2e Drow and compare to the 2e Gray Elf. [B]2e Drow Elf:[/B] Dexterity +2, Intelligence +1 ... Str −1, Con −2 [B]2e Gray Elf:[/B] Intelligence +2, Dexterity +1 ... Con −1, Str −2 HOWEVER, also in AD&D 1e Gygax via the Unearthed Arcana has the Drow use the SAME ABILITY SCORES AS HUMANS: namely 3d6 without any improvement or any penalty. This kind of Drow lacks Dexterity improvement and has a Constitution as tough as a Human. [B]1e UA Drow Elf:[/B] abilities are the SAME as Human D&D 3e mechanics changes all +1s and −1s into even number +2s and −2s. The third edition also decides to make all Drow, even males, be very high Charisma. The rationale is apparently the social skills that are necessary to survive in an extremely competitive treacherous culture. This charismatic Drow enters popculture, which leans into the Charisma of the Drow, including seductiveness and deception. [B]3e Drow Elf:[/B] Cha +2, Int +2, Dex +2, −2 Str, −2 Con Then 4e transmits this 3e high Charisma Drow, but keeps in mind female Clerics: [B]4e Drow Elf:[/B] +2 Dexterity, +2 either Charisma or Wisdom Finally, 5e reconceives 4e while downplaying 3e Charisma, and returning to 1e Dexterity: [B]5e 2014 Drow Elf:[/B] +2 Dexterity, +1 Charisma However, the traditional Drow scores across the D&D editions can be almost any number. • Charisma, Wisdom, Intelligence, and Dexterity can all be superhuman, with +2, and starting at a score of 20 • Constitution and Strength, even these scores can be decent and starting at 18 [B]5e 2024 Drow Elf:[/B] the player chooses which scores to improve, +2 to one and +1 to an other [/QUOTE]
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