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Message: <blockquote data-quote="DND_Reborn" data-source="post: 8040998" data-attributes="member: 6987520">Man, you will just not let this go, huh? Crazy that you feel you need to justify this to a total stranger who has nothing to do with your game...No, I said there is no basis for it and I would not do it. YOU chose orc, and you've explained why, and I've explained perfectly viable alternatives. The basis for NOT having an elf-orc crossbreed is there. If I designed a Grugach (as something other than just another elf subrace) I would chose something other than an orc because precedence supports a non-orc choice.  So, it is actually quite the opposite from what you seem to believe.From 1E MM, pg. 76:[ATTACH=full]123927[/ATTACH]From 2E (sorry, this is just text pdf, so I can't give you the page):[ATTACH=full]123928[/ATTACH]In 3E, half-orc seem to be entirely human-orc crossbreeds, but in all fairness I didn't play 3E for long so there could certainly be more.I can't tell you about 4E, I never played it.And finally in 5E, I told you the "human" and "dwarf"-orc crossbreeds are considered half-orcs are examples. I am sure you get that, so why you are trying to rally against it I just don't know.Like I said, they are examples. The text doesn't mention dragonborn-orc crossbreeds or tielfing-orc crossbreeds, either, so it is not implying any non-human, non-dwarf and orc crossbreed is impossible. In 5E an elf-orc crossbreed would certainly be possible, and it would be considered either an orc or half-orc as the text in the MM states. THAT is the RAW.That is because an Ogre does not fit in with the previous sentence because it is not of similar size. Ogres are Large, not medium, and so it stipulates that an Ogre-Orc crossbreed is something different, the Ogrillon.Nope. If it survived it would be either an orc or half-orc because an elf is "a non-orc humanoid of similar size and stature." They are both medium-size humanoids. Just as a human, dwarf, tielfling, half-elf, etc. are all also medium-size humanoids.For you it obviously is. [USER=6704184]@doctorbadwolf[/USER] seems to be right there with you, which is cool. Others, including myself, aren't.I pointed out there is precedence to make such a crossbreed race using something other than orc. Myself and others have said just make it an elf subrace like it was originally. It had nothing to do with orcs then, and it certainly doesn't need to now. If you want it to (which you do), then just do it and keep working on it until you get something you're happy with for your game.But, to reiterate: I never said, "don't do this" or anything like that. I've said repeatedly "have at it and enjoy" and such. So, please do and good luck! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

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