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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 5464071" data-attributes="member: 4937">Ah, yes, but in real life no one is more than 6th level.  And while a 6th level character can do some pretty amazing things, convincing 'Ghengis Khan' not to go to war with his neighbors is beyond the abilities of a 6th level character. The question becomes, how superhumanly good of a diplomat do you have to be to have a chance of persuading 'Ghengis Khan' to spare you and your city?Well, maybe this good: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Leo_I" target="_blank">Pope Leo the Great</a>.  Though, a skeptic might argue that the significant bribe that went along with that plea might have had made the DC merely within the realm of ordinary skilled diplomacy.By which you mean, that compotent DMs don't play with the rules as written but, when the rules present nonsense as a result, change them either in a formal manner or an informal one.  And, in that much, I'm willing to agree with you, though we would then both be risking being highly insulting to the people who either play by the RAW or believe that they do.   Nonetheless, that sort of 'abuse' is permitted by the rules and by very core and central ones at that.  It doesn't take anything but the SRD to +25's or better to Diplomacy at a quite low level.  Arguing that the DM can simply ignore the rules case by case in order to produce a more desirable result, may be true, but ignoring the rules in a manner like that is going to lead to table conflict sooner or later.</blockquote>

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