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Eliminating "Raise Dead" and "Resurrection"
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<blockquote data-quote="jester47" data-source="post: 1097190" data-attributes="member: 2238"><p>Another way to get around it is to actually roleplay the priests meditation for preyers. The priest knows what he wants, the god knows what he needs. Have the cleric (if its a character) give reasons for the different spell requests. If the reason is not good enough for a resurrection, the god denys it. </p><p></p><p>For raise dead, the body pretty much has to be intact. If the character died from anything that would destroy the body, then this spell cant bring him/her back. So, if the guy fell down a deep crevice, the party has to find the body, and get it to a cleric that can cast the spell. And then there is the time limit. 1 day per level of the caster. Beuracracy can work wonders. Not to mention that the characters need to have 5000gp worth of dimonds. (getting these can be hard, esp if the jeweler or appraiser is over valueing the diamonds he is selling to the heros.) Of course the heroes can go and find thier own dimonds, but if you look at the treasure table the chances of finding a diamond in a random treasure horde is pretty slim. And you only have at most 20 days. </p><p></p><p>Ressurection is more expensive. 10,000gp worth of diamonds. And you still need a part of the body. At most you have a time limit of 200 years. </p><p></p><p>True resurrection operates the same way is more expensive, and you don't need body parts. However that does not mean that the character appears where the spell is cast. Most likely it would be where the characters body ceased to be, or if there are remains, where the remains are. </p><p></p><p>So we have several factors working in the rules as is method:</p><p>caster availability</p><p>spell availability</p><p>high unique cost</p><p>time limit</p><p>body condition</p><p>location and transport of remains</p><p></p><p>The other thing about the dimonds is that they are ussually prised. You don't get the dimonds back when you are done. They are gone. Most people will not give up that amount of wealth without some compensation. Also, what if someone gets to the body first and destroys it? </p><p></p><p>No, I leave those spells in there, because if the party thinks the character that died is so important that they essentially have to drop everything to get him back then, I think it should be allowed. I leave it up to the players. If the quest is too important to them, then they say no bringing him or her back. Taking a big time out to get someone brought back to life can cause major problems, especially if the characters are saving the world. </p><p></p><p>Also, what if the character had enemies who don't want him to come back? They might do everything in their power to stop the party. Also it is a great way to get the party to do really rash things. Normally the party would not raid the temple of the stargod, but its has the only 5000gp diamond within ten days ride... Or, there once was a dimond that would work, but it was stolen by a dragon years ago, but everyone knows where the dragon's lair is... </p><p></p><p>Basicly, the way I see it, if the party can get through all these hoops, and feels that they should abandon missions and do what is necessary then yeah, your character can come back.</p><p></p><p>Aaron.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="jester47, post: 1097190, member: 2238"] Another way to get around it is to actually roleplay the priests meditation for preyers. The priest knows what he wants, the god knows what he needs. Have the cleric (if its a character) give reasons for the different spell requests. If the reason is not good enough for a resurrection, the god denys it. For raise dead, the body pretty much has to be intact. If the character died from anything that would destroy the body, then this spell cant bring him/her back. So, if the guy fell down a deep crevice, the party has to find the body, and get it to a cleric that can cast the spell. And then there is the time limit. 1 day per level of the caster. Beuracracy can work wonders. Not to mention that the characters need to have 5000gp worth of dimonds. (getting these can be hard, esp if the jeweler or appraiser is over valueing the diamonds he is selling to the heros.) Of course the heroes can go and find thier own dimonds, but if you look at the treasure table the chances of finding a diamond in a random treasure horde is pretty slim. And you only have at most 20 days. Ressurection is more expensive. 10,000gp worth of diamonds. And you still need a part of the body. At most you have a time limit of 200 years. True resurrection operates the same way is more expensive, and you don't need body parts. However that does not mean that the character appears where the spell is cast. Most likely it would be where the characters body ceased to be, or if there are remains, where the remains are. So we have several factors working in the rules as is method: caster availability spell availability high unique cost time limit body condition location and transport of remains The other thing about the dimonds is that they are ussually prised. You don't get the dimonds back when you are done. They are gone. Most people will not give up that amount of wealth without some compensation. Also, what if someone gets to the body first and destroys it? No, I leave those spells in there, because if the party thinks the character that died is so important that they essentially have to drop everything to get him back then, I think it should be allowed. I leave it up to the players. If the quest is too important to them, then they say no bringing him or her back. Taking a big time out to get someone brought back to life can cause major problems, especially if the characters are saving the world. Also, what if the character had enemies who don't want him to come back? They might do everything in their power to stop the party. Also it is a great way to get the party to do really rash things. Normally the party would not raid the temple of the stargod, but its has the only 5000gp diamond within ten days ride... Or, there once was a dimond that would work, but it was stolen by a dragon years ago, but everyone knows where the dragon's lair is... Basicly, the way I see it, if the party can get through all these hoops, and feels that they should abandon missions and do what is necessary then yeah, your character can come back. Aaron. [/QUOTE]
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