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<blockquote data-quote="Steverooo" data-source="post: 1098117" data-attributes="member: 9410">Heroic Fantasy not filled with &quot;dead&quot; heroes coming back to life???&nbsp; How many times did Hercules/Iolas/Xena/Gabriel die and come back?&nbsp; (Even the last time Xena died, Gabby was working on a way to return her!)&nbsp; How many times did Herc go down into the underworld to revisit someone?In Moorcock's many novels, one of his characters (Corum?) spends most of the series trying to figure out a way to return his dead family and friends to life.&nbsp; Even Elric went after the Nanorian Stone, which could grant wishes and/or revive the dead.And Gandalf in The Lord of the Rings?&nbsp; Dead on Zirak-Zigal, and &quot;sent back, for a time&quot;.&nbsp; He didn't die again, either, but sailed to Aman...So... so much for that idea!As for 3(.5)e revivification...First of all, Clerical spells are granted.&nbsp; If Thor doesn't want his Einheriar returned, he won't grant the cleric the spell.&nbsp; In other words, the PC asks for spells, and the GM grants them... or not!Next, in-game, who &quot;controls the souls&quot;?&nbsp; This is determined by alignment (Which plane are they on?) and deity (Whose realm are they in, on that plane?)&nbsp; A cleric of Lolth shouldn't be able to bring back souls which passed to Celestia...&nbsp; I doubt she has many allies, there!Then there are the conditions built into the spells, themselves.&nbsp; Bodies, money, materia, etc.Nope, I think there are enough restrictions on &quot;rezzes&quot;, as is.&nbsp; YMMV.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Steverooo, post: 1098117, member: 9410"] Heroic Fantasy not filled with "dead" heroes coming back to life??? How many times did Hercules/Iolas/Xena/Gabriel die and come back? (Even the last time Xena died, Gabby was working on a way to return her!) How many times did Herc go down into the underworld to revisit someone? In Moorcock's many novels, one of his characters (Corum?) spends most of the series trying to figure out a way to return his dead family and friends to life. Even Elric went after the Nanorian Stone, which could grant wishes and/or revive the dead. And Gandalf in The Lord of the Rings? Dead on Zirak-Zigal, and "sent back, for a time". He didn't die again, either, but sailed to Aman... So... so much for that idea! As for 3(.5)e revivification... First of all, Clerical spells are [I]granted[/I]. If Thor doesn't want his Einheriar returned, he won't grant the cleric the spell. In other words, the PC asks for spells, and the GM grants them... or not! Next, in-game, who "controls the souls"? This is determined by alignment (Which plane are they on?) and deity (Whose realm are they in, on that plane?) A cleric of Lolth shouldn't be able to bring back souls which passed to Celestia... I doubt she has many allies, there! Then there are the conditions built into the spells, themselves. Bodies, money, materia, etc. Nope, I think there are enough restrictions on "rezzes", as is. YMMV. [/QUOTE]

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