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<blockquote data-quote="Klaus" data-source="post: 4187110" data-attributes="member: 607">Nuh-uh. Not with 75% magic resistance. Specially if you factor in the suggested rule of increasing the spell resistance by 5% per spell-user level above, iirc, 11. So if Gandalf were a 5th level magic-user, the balrog would have 105% resistance to his spells.I once stated the Balrog of Moria as a half-fiend Elder Fire Elemental. It clocked in at CR 14.[sblock]&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Shadow and Flame, Elder Evil Fire Elemental&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Huge Outsider (Fire, Extraplanar)Hit Dice:&nbsp; &nbsp; 24d8+120 (228 hp)Initiative:&nbsp; &nbsp; +15Speed:&nbsp; &nbsp; 60 ft. (12 squares), fly 60 ft. (average)Armor Class:&nbsp; &nbsp; 28 (–2 size, +11 Dex, +9 natural), touch 19, flat-footed 17Base Attack/Grapple:&nbsp; &nbsp; +18/+34Attack:&nbsp; &nbsp; Claw +28 melee (2d8+8 plus 2d8 fire)Full Attack:&nbsp; &nbsp; 2 Claws +28 melee (2d8+8 plus 2d8 fire) and bite +23 melee (2d6+8 plus fire)Space/Reach:&nbsp; &nbsp; 15 ft./15 ft.Special Attacks:&nbsp; &nbsp; Burn, Smite Good (1/day, +24 damage), Spell-Like AbilitiesSpecial Qualities:&nbsp; &nbsp; Damage reduction 10/–, darkvision 60 ft., elemental traits, immunity to fire, resistance 10 to acid and electricity, vulnerability to cold, bypass DR x/magic, SR 34Saves:&nbsp; &nbsp; Fort +15, Ref +25, Will +10Abilities:&nbsp; &nbsp; Str 26, Dex 33, Con 20, Int 10, Wis 11, Cha 13Skills:&nbsp; &nbsp; Listen +28, Spot +29, plus 6 other cross-class skills at +13 ranksFeats:&nbsp; &nbsp; Alertness, Blind-Fight, Combat Reflexes, Dodge, Improved Initiative B, Great Fortitude, Iron Will, Mobility, Spring Attack, Weapon FinesseB, Weapon Focus (claw)Environment:&nbsp; &nbsp; Elemental Plane of FireOrganization:&nbsp; &nbsp; SolitaryChallenge Rating:&nbsp; &nbsp; 14Treasure:&nbsp; &nbsp; NoneAlignment:&nbsp; &nbsp; Always EvilAdvancement:&nbsp; &nbsp; 25–48 HD (Huge)Level Adjustment:&nbsp; &nbsp; —Spell-Like Abilities: 3/day: Darkness, Poison, Unholy Aura; 1/day: Desecrate, Unholy Blight, Contagion, Blasphemy, Unhallow, Horrid Wilting, Summon Monster IX (fiends only), Destruction. Caster level: 24th.[/sblock]If you judge that the fight between Gandalf and the Balrog was a tie (since they both died, but Gandalf got better), Gandalf could have an ECL of 14. If we run with that number, Gandalf could stand against 9 ringwraiths for a short time, so we can clock them at about CR 9. Aragorn could have been of 9th or 10th level himself, something like Ranger 3/Paladin 3/Ruathar 3 (&quot;Ruathar&quot; is an &quot;elf-friend&quot; PrClass from Races of the Wild that, among other things, grant long life; Aragorn, if he is a Rgr/Pal, takes the Devoted Tracker feat to stack his classes for several things).As since the &quot;time of Elves&quot; have passed, you could also rule that they are losing levels as time passes, so Elrond could've been 25th level when he faced Sauron, but is now &quot;merely&quot; 15th (and even so, with most of his might focused on healing, protection and divination).</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Klaus, post: 4187110, member: 607"] Nuh-uh. Not with 75% magic resistance. Specially if you factor in the suggested rule of increasing the spell resistance by 5% per spell-user level above, iirc, 11. So if Gandalf were a 5th level magic-user, the balrog would have 105% resistance to his spells. I once stated the Balrog of Moria as a half-fiend Elder Fire Elemental. It clocked in at CR 14. [sblock] Shadow and Flame, Elder Evil Fire Elemental Huge Outsider (Fire, Extraplanar) Hit Dice: 24d8+120 (228 hp) Initiative: +15 Speed: 60 ft. (12 squares), fly 60 ft. (average) Armor Class: 28 (–2 size, +11 Dex, +9 natural), touch 19, flat-footed 17 Base Attack/Grapple: +18/+34 Attack: Claw +28 melee (2d8+8 plus 2d8 fire) Full Attack: 2 Claws +28 melee (2d8+8 plus 2d8 fire) and bite +23 melee (2d6+8 plus fire) Space/Reach: 15 ft./15 ft. Special Attacks: Burn, Smite Good (1/day, +24 damage), Spell-Like Abilities Special Qualities: Damage reduction 10/–, darkvision 60 ft., elemental traits, immunity to fire, resistance 10 to acid and electricity, vulnerability to cold, bypass DR x/magic, SR 34 Saves: Fort +15, Ref +25, Will +10 Abilities: Str 26, Dex 33, Con 20, Int 10, Wis 11, Cha 13 Skills: Listen +28, Spot +29, plus 6 other cross-class skills at +13 ranks Feats: Alertness, Blind-Fight, Combat Reflexes, Dodge, Improved Initiative B, Great Fortitude, Iron Will, Mobility, Spring Attack, Weapon FinesseB, Weapon Focus (claw) Environment: Elemental Plane of Fire Organization: Solitary Challenge Rating: 14 Treasure: None Alignment: Always Evil Advancement: 25–48 HD (Huge) Level Adjustment: — Spell-Like Abilities: 3/day: Darkness, Poison, Unholy Aura; 1/day: Desecrate, Unholy Blight, Contagion, Blasphemy, Unhallow, Horrid Wilting, Summon Monster IX (fiends only), Destruction. Caster level: 24th. [/sblock] If you judge that the fight between Gandalf and the Balrog was a tie (since they both died, but Gandalf got better), Gandalf could have an ECL of 14. If we run with that number, Gandalf could stand against 9 ringwraiths for a short time, so we can clock them at about CR 9. Aragorn could have been of 9th or 10th level himself, something like Ranger 3/Paladin 3/Ruathar 3 ("Ruathar" is an "elf-friend" PrClass from Races of the Wild that, among other things, grant long life; Aragorn, if he is a Rgr/Pal, takes the Devoted Tracker feat to stack his classes for several things). As since the "time of Elves" have passed, you could also rule that they are losing levels as time passes, so Elrond could've been 25th level when he faced Sauron, but is now "merely" 15th (and even so, with most of his might focused on healing, protection and divination). [/QUOTE]

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