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Message: <blockquote data-quote="NMcCoy" data-source="post: 4658166" data-attributes="member: 61546">This, really, is the crux of this debate and many, many others. We need a terminology overhaul in a few sections of the rules, to clearly distinguish between "using an attack power" and "making an attack roll", which currently both get called "making an attack" or "attacking" in the rules. Clear up all this silliness with "A missed attack never damages a minion" by instead saying "Minions don't take damage from Miss effects."Likewise: "Make a basic melee attack" means "use a basic melee attack power", but "make a secondary attack" means "make another attack roll as part of using this power". We really have three different things that use the word "attack", as I see it. Here's the breakdown, color coded for your convenience:<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">An Attack Power usually, but not always, involves making one or more Attacks. (Some Attack Powers, such as Armor of Agathys, do not involve making Attacks, and thus no Attack Roll is needed.)</li> </ul><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">An Attack involves choosing targets as specified in the power's description, and then making one Attack Roll for each target, and usually one Damage Roll for all targets of that Attack. (Some Attack Powers have Attacks that don't have a Damage Roll, such as Furious Smash.)</li> </ul><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">An Attack Roll is always against one specific target. If the Attack Roll results in a critical hit, treat that Attack's Damage Roll as if the dice showed the maximum value for that particular target.</li> </ul><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Some Attack Powers, such as Commander's Strike, tell an ally to make a basic attack against a particular target. To do this they will select an attack power that counts as such, and (in the course of using that power) make an attack against that target, involving an attack roll and a damage roll.</li> </ul><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Some Attack Powers, such as Acid Arrow, tell you to make a secondary attack after your primary attack, if certain conditions (like the first attack hitting its target) are met. This attack might specify the same or different targets from the primary. Rain of Blows is an Attack Power that grants two primary attacks (as specified on the Attack: line of the power), each of which can grant you a secondary attack if that primary attack hits.</li> </ul>I hope this helps to clarify things.</blockquote>

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