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Message: <blockquote data-quote="AaronOfBarbaria" data-source="post: 7681674" data-attributes="member: 6701872">Ask the DM, improvised weapon rules are vague by design.Because the contradiction is not "obvious" so much as imagined, but I see why it is that you imagine the contradiction as I have enough memory of the general posts regarding DMing and the rules to know that any time the rules intentionally leave the corner cases to the DM's judgement you get hung up on how the rules are meant to work.As much damage as the DM determines that it does. That's how the improvised weapon rules work.If you are the DM and you say it's 1d4-1 because it is strength based, then you are 1) correct, 2) 100% in line with the written rules, and 3) 100% in line with the sage advice clarification.Your player is having trouble determining that Seamus is red-headed and Irish, but that doesn't mean that all people who are Irish are red-headed: ranged weapon attacks generally use dexterity because they are generally a weapon attack made with a ranged weapon. Not all ranged weapon attacks use dexterity, though, because some of them are made with non-finesse melee weapons with the thrown property (which can be granted by the weapons table itself, or by the DM in their adjudication of improvising by throwing a weapon that doesn't actually have the thrown property).</blockquote>