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<blockquote data-quote="ruleslawyer" data-source="post: 829091" data-attributes="member: 1757">Hate to say it, Gez, but now who's trying to cram a ridiculous portrayal of elves down people's campaigns?D&amp;D elves are somewhere between faerie elves and JRRT elves; there's really no getting around this. Being magical and excessively long-lived just tends to militate toward those conclusions. Moreover, a society which trains all of its members in the longsword and longbow hardly could be considered restricted to &quot;prancing, singing, drinking, [and] frolicking.&quot;That said, I happen to use actual otherwordly, JRRT-style elves IMC, just because it provides me with a nice way to stick them with an ECL and therefore discourage players from running hordes of absurdly long-lived PCs who aren't played to that long life or alien experience. IMC, elves are the most alien of core races due to their near-agelessness, the corresponding ancient heritage of their race, and their proclivity for magic. The ECL, incidentally, explains why they don't level particularly well; elves are fragile combatants against foes of equal CR (a 1st-level elf fighter is ECL 3, IMC) and even if they consistently win combats, they get less experience for them.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="ruleslawyer, post: 829091, member: 1757"] Hate to say it, Gez, but now who's trying to cram a ridiculous portrayal of elves down people's campaigns? D&D elves are somewhere between faerie elves and JRRT elves; there's really no getting around this. Being magical and excessively long-lived just tends to militate toward those conclusions. Moreover, a society which trains all of its members in the longsword and longbow hardly could be considered restricted to "prancing, singing, drinking, [and] frolicking." That said, I happen to use actual otherwordly, JRRT-style elves IMC, just because it provides me with a nice way to stick them with an ECL and therefore discourage players from running hordes of absurdly long-lived PCs who aren't played to that long life or alien experience. IMC, elves are the most alien of core races due to their near-agelessness, the corresponding ancient heritage of their race, and their proclivity for magic. The ECL, incidentally, explains why they don't level particularly well; elves are fragile combatants against foes of equal CR (a 1st-level elf fighter is ECL 3, IMC) and even if they consistently win combats, they get less experience for them. [/QUOTE]

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