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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Psion" data-source="post: 830168" data-attributes="member: 172">You are missing the point. The "missing link" here is that you assume that the PC XP system applies to XPs. You assume that it is as if it is inherently obvious that it does, but it does not.The demographics tables supposedly apply to the DMG races. By the DMG, elven populations would look just like human populations level-wise.Are there reasons to think in reality it just wouldn't pan out that way? Sure. That's what this thread is all about. But when it comes down to what the book says (which was the assertion you made which is the wellspring of our disagreement), it does not imply that NPCs use the standard XP system, and in fact, assuming such would result in nonsensical results (e.g., that the most learned sages in the land all have several powerful creatures under their belts because that is what they would have had to do in order to get to that level...)Of course, your whole line of reasoning of singling elves out is ironic since you started this argument by telling me that elves were treated just like everyone else. Seems to me you want to have your cake and eat it too.I'll thank you not to put words in my mouth.Never said I did; my assumption is that the demographics of elves are not as portrayed in the DMG, which is a long way from the blind obescience to the rules that you imply that I have. But that wasn't my point.I still rather think you are missing my point/am not really considering what I am saying. My point was that YOU were the one who tried to tell me what was supported by the DMG by telling me that all people/elves us the XP system when that is not the case. It was YOU who drug this into the territory of obescience to the rules, not me. I merely was demonstrating that by the rules, there is nothing assuming that XP tracking is a system to necessarily be used by NPCs.Further, you then tried to back it up with SKRs variant on commoners, which is in every way a variant: it relies on XP tracking for NPCs and would result in demographics different than outlined in the DMG. So SKR resorts to demographics variants just as much as I did, so there is not point in calling me out with someone who is just as much using a variant as I am.</blockquote>

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