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<blockquote data-quote="Spatzimaus" data-source="post: 326233" data-attributes="member: 3051"><p>"And Bards have healing because they're more 'designed' to help out others, it seems, than do direct damage..."</p><p></p><p>I'll accept that they don't do DD and need something more, but I don't think healing is a good solution. It REALLY blurs the lines between types of magic too much. I gave them more of the Protection from XXX type of spells to compensate, and a couple more charm-type spells (the Hypnotic stuff). Nothing big, they already have a NICE spell list, a great skill list, and if I'm giving them INT as a prime stat that gets even better.</p><p></p><p>Also, I've been toying with a Feat that allows a "hybrid" class (Bard, Psychic Warrior, Ranger, Paladin) to gain spells from the list of their parent class (Sorcerer, Psion, Druid, or Cleric respectively). You add a few (3 to 5) spells to your class list (NOT your personal Known list, you still have to take them) at one level higher than listed. That is, a Bard could take Fireball as a level 4 spell, a Psychic Warrior could take Body Adjustment as a level 3 or Teleport as a 6, and so on. Since you still have to use your Known slots to get them, it isn't really unbalanced to give a few. For Rangers and Paladins they'd get them automatically, but those classes only go up to spell level 4, so I'm not worried.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Spatzimaus, post: 326233, member: 3051"] "And Bards have healing because they're more 'designed' to help out others, it seems, than do direct damage..." I'll accept that they don't do DD and need something more, but I don't think healing is a good solution. It REALLY blurs the lines between types of magic too much. I gave them more of the Protection from XXX type of spells to compensate, and a couple more charm-type spells (the Hypnotic stuff). Nothing big, they already have a NICE spell list, a great skill list, and if I'm giving them INT as a prime stat that gets even better. Also, I've been toying with a Feat that allows a "hybrid" class (Bard, Psychic Warrior, Ranger, Paladin) to gain spells from the list of their parent class (Sorcerer, Psion, Druid, or Cleric respectively). You add a few (3 to 5) spells to your class list (NOT your personal Known list, you still have to take them) at one level higher than listed. That is, a Bard could take Fireball as a level 4 spell, a Psychic Warrior could take Body Adjustment as a level 3 or Teleport as a 6, and so on. Since you still have to use your Known slots to get them, it isn't really unbalanced to give a few. For Rangers and Paladins they'd get them automatically, but those classes only go up to spell level 4, so I'm not worried. [/QUOTE]
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