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<blockquote data-quote="Umbran" data-source="post: 1487583" data-attributes="member: 177">A really well kept African Grey parrot might live to be about 100.&nbsp; So will a really well kept human.&nbsp; Certain tortoises live longer than humans, but you'll note that they aren't mammals, and so shouldn't be expected to follow similar patterns.Um, be careful there.&nbsp; In times gone past, the average lifespan of a human being was perhaps 30 years, yes.&nbsp; But it isn't like they died of old age at 30.&nbsp; The average was that low largely due to infant mortality - lots of people dying very young kept the average down.&nbsp; There's reasonable evidence that in those times, if someone made it to maturity, they had a reasonable chance to reach codgerhood of 50 or higher, which is far longer than most mammals live, even when well kept.&nbsp; This is mostly true.&nbsp; You'll note, though, that it doesn't actually take 20 years for the brain and skull to reach full size.&nbsp; That's already happened in the middle teens.&nbsp; Oh?&nbsp; Go back and reread the definition of Charisma in the beginning of the PHB (3e or 3.5e, they are the similar).&nbsp; Physical attractiveness is listed in the definition.&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Mind you, some folk don't like to include it.&nbsp; This is why I said, &quot;If you don't like to link Charisma and beauty...&quot;</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Umbran, post: 1487583, member: 177"] A really well kept African Grey parrot might live to be about 100. So will a really well kept human. Certain tortoises live longer than humans, but you'll note that they aren't mammals, and so shouldn't be expected to follow similar patterns. Um, be careful there. In times gone past, the average lifespan of a human being was perhaps 30 years, yes. But it isn't like they died of old age at 30. The average was that low largely due to infant mortality - lots of people dying very young kept the average down. There's reasonable evidence that in those times, if someone made it to maturity, they had a reasonable chance to reach codgerhood of 50 or higher, which is far longer than most mammals live, even when well kept. This is mostly true. You'll note, though, that it doesn't actually take 20 years for the brain and skull to reach full size. That's already happened in the middle teens. Oh? Go back and reread the definition of Charisma in the beginning of the PHB (3e or 3.5e, they are the similar). Physical attractiveness is listed in the definition. :) Mind you, some folk don't like to include it. This is why I said, "If you don't like to link Charisma and beauty..." [/QUOTE]

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