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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 9502337" data-attributes="member: 6801228">Was it upcast? Because a 4th level Conjure Woodland beings is 4d8, and you can't deal an average of 22.5 damage with 4d8In which case, that kind of makes the point WORSE. Because to have a 5th level spell, you need to have a Ninth level party. That means they should have an average hp of around 120 to 140. Four failed saves is 90. So, if your strongest monster against a 9th level party is closer to CR 5 or 6, and the party spent their highest level spell slot, a 3rd level spell slot, a 1st level spell slot, and a wildshape while in the exact perfect environment.... well, what do you EXPECT to happen when level 9 character face CR 6 and weaker opposition?</blockquote>