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<blockquote data-quote="Campbell" data-source="post: 7815684" data-attributes="member: 16586"><p>There is a lot that can be done tactically and strategically to shift accuracy and downgrade an opponent's chance of success. You are expected to use spells, consumables, active class abilities, and things like feint, demoralize, and flanking to improve your chances of success. Combat maneuvers like Trip and Grapple that target weak save DCs are also meant to be compelling strategies. Faced with a superior foe blindly attacking it is meant to be somewhat of a frustrating experience because it is a losing strategy and should feel like that.</p><p></p><p>Like a wizard can cast Fear which causes Frightened 1 even on a successful save and if you flank that then causes the Flat Footed condition. Together that adds up to bring your success chances up to what they would be against a foe of your level all other things being equal. Inspire Courage from a Bard or Bless from a Cleric will also grant a +1 status bonus to all attacks which stacks with the other two.</p><p></p><p>The base character math is fairly tight, but there are plenty of ways to shift the ways it plays out at the table. </p><p></p><p>Personally, I like how this plays out at the table. Group coordination can make a difficult encounter far more manageable. Just pounding away at a boss monster is unlikely to work. You have to shift tactics and strategy.</p><p></p><p>That said I can get how this might be a frustrating experience for some people. I like games with a lot of uncertainty where we have no idea how things will turn out. I can understand enjoying at least making a dent even if it is a small dent.</p><p></p><p>I will add that a monster that is 3 or 4 levels higher than you is supposed to be meaningfully stronger and facing one is supposed to be a big event. A monster of your level is not like a standard monster in 4th Edition or a monster of your CR in Pathfinder 1. It's not an appropriate challenge for a standard encounter. It is your equal in every sense of word all other things being equal of course. It's a tossup.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Campbell, post: 7815684, member: 16586"] There is a lot that can be done tactically and strategically to shift accuracy and downgrade an opponent's chance of success. You are expected to use spells, consumables, active class abilities, and things like feint, demoralize, and flanking to improve your chances of success. Combat maneuvers like Trip and Grapple that target weak save DCs are also meant to be compelling strategies. Faced with a superior foe blindly attacking it is meant to be somewhat of a frustrating experience because it is a losing strategy and should feel like that. Like a wizard can cast Fear which causes Frightened 1 even on a successful save and if you flank that then causes the Flat Footed condition. Together that adds up to bring your success chances up to what they would be against a foe of your level all other things being equal. Inspire Courage from a Bard or Bless from a Cleric will also grant a +1 status bonus to all attacks which stacks with the other two. The base character math is fairly tight, but there are plenty of ways to shift the ways it plays out at the table. Personally, I like how this plays out at the table. Group coordination can make a difficult encounter far more manageable. Just pounding away at a boss monster is unlikely to work. You have to shift tactics and strategy. That said I can get how this might be a frustrating experience for some people. I like games with a lot of uncertainty where we have no idea how things will turn out. I can understand enjoying at least making a dent even if it is a small dent. I will add that a monster that is 3 or 4 levels higher than you is supposed to be meaningfully stronger and facing one is supposed to be a big event. A monster of your level is not like a standard monster in 4th Edition or a monster of your CR in Pathfinder 1. It's not an appropriate challenge for a standard encounter. It is your equal in every sense of word all other things being equal of course. It's a tossup. [/QUOTE]
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