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<blockquote data-quote="BryonD" data-source="post: 7816181" data-attributes="member: 957">-1 to 20 is 22 levels.&nbsp; Just saying.....Anyway, 5th level fighters chew through stock goblins in PF1E and pretty much any version of D&amp;D.&nbsp; How many goblins become a threat may slide from edition to edition, but the concept is pretty much already there.&nbsp; So that has not be changed, much less improved.But (again, as you yourself point out in the words that you choose) the key point for 2E is &quot;has seven levels on this suckers&quot;.&nbsp; The key is NOT &quot;is a badass swordsman&quot;, is NOT &quot;can cast fireball&quot;, is NOT &quot;is a wiry nimble rogue with cool tricks&quot;.&nbsp; The key is &quot;has seven levels&quot;&nbsp; PERIOD.In 1E I could swing a scenario where the wizard is stranded with no gear, no spellbook and suddenly that guy with &quot;seven levels&quot; is running looking for a solution to this new challenge.&nbsp; But in 2E he will have that seven levels.&nbsp; And that is all we need to know.It doesn't create a narrative scenario and then try to get the scenario right.&nbsp; It puts the math on tight brackets and locks the game down and then simply presumes that the players will only tell stories which comply with the presumed default.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="BryonD, post: 7816181, member: 957"] -1 to 20 is 22 levels. Just saying..... Anyway, 5th level fighters chew through stock goblins in PF1E and pretty much any version of D&D. How many goblins become a threat may slide from edition to edition, but the concept is pretty much already there. So that has not be changed, much less improved. But (again, as you yourself point out in the words that you choose) the key point for 2E is "has seven levels on this suckers". The key is NOT "is a badass swordsman", is NOT "can cast fireball", is NOT "is a wiry nimble rogue with cool tricks". The key is "has seven levels" PERIOD. In 1E I could swing a scenario where the wizard is stranded with no gear, no spellbook and suddenly that guy with "seven levels" is running looking for a solution to this new challenge. But in 2E he will have that seven levels. And that is all we need to know. It doesn't create a narrative scenario and then try to get the scenario right. It puts the math on tight brackets and locks the game down and then simply presumes that the players will only tell stories which comply with the presumed default. [/QUOTE]

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